[arin-ppml] ARIN-2011-6: Returned IPv4 Addresses - Last Call

Martin Hannigan hannigan at gmail.com
Tue Apr 19 16:23:12 EDT 2011

On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 3:22 PM, Bill Darte <BillD at cait.wustl.edu> wrote:
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net
>> [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Martin Hannigan
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 2:11 PM
>> To: Chris Grundemann
>> Cc: arin-ppml at arin.net
>> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-2011-6: Returned IPv4 Addresses
>> - Last Call
>> On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Chris Grundemann
>> <cgrundemann at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 11:50, William Herrin
>> <bill at herrin.us> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> This fundamentally changes the character of the proposal.
>> The point
>> >> of the original proposal was to tell ARIN what to do with returned
>> >> addresses -until further notice-, not to tell them what to
>> do pending
>> >> activity at IANA.
>> >>
>> >> We don't want addresses returned to IANA. Period. Unconditionally.
>> >> Someday we'll change our minds, but not today. Please stop
>> sneaking
>> >> exceptions back in and pretending it's the same policy proposal.
>> >
>> > I understand that you do not want addresses returned to
>> IANA. Period.
>> > But the majority of the community appears to disagree with you. The
>> Can you characterize that? I think that this opinion is more
>> related to technicality than intent.
>> > community does seem to agree, however, that IPv4 addresses
>> should not
>> > be stranded at the IANA.
>> >
>> I too believe that the majority of the community does not
>> want addresses stranded at the IANA. Period. They also don't
>> want to buy back addresses that were once in our possession.
>> OTOH, if we don't return addresses to the IANA, that's not an
>> issue for the ARIN region.\
> But, that is why there is a transfer policy.  If people choose to offer
> their addresses for a consideration, then there is an avenue to do so
> and those addresses will remain in ARIN region. But,
> If policy exists to return them to ARIN for return to and subsequent
> redistribution by IANA, then that choice should be open to them.
> Such a IANA return and redistribution policy would have to be in place
> and honestly I wish it were, but alas, everyone seems to want the whole
> enchilata instead of a piece.

I'm specifically thinking of the inter RIR transfer process as well as
the compensated transfer process. Hope that helps.



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