[arin-ppml] [arin-council] AC Role in Petitions

John Springer springer at inlandnet.com
Tue Apr 19 13:12:28 EDT 2011

Hi Bill,

On Mon, 18 Apr 2011, William Herrin wrote:

> On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 8:03 PM, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:
>> On Apr 18, 2011, at 4:12 PM, William Herrin wrote:
>>> On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote
>>>> If every nuance of every discussion on every
>>>> detail of every process were to take place on PPML, the noise level would
>>>> greatly exceed signal and virtually nothing could get done.
>>> Well, we wouldn't want that. Where's the public list that was set up
>>> for folks interested in discussing PDP changes, so they could avoid
>>> running roughshod over other PPML discussions?

This is a bit of heat and light. What exactly is the paragon here? The 
ARIN process seems pretty open, transparent and sunshiny to me.

WRT the proximate question, should AC members have a vote on petitions, I 
had concerns, which I aired. I felt like I had decent access to AC 
members. They took time to address those concerns. Even when we finally 
disagreed, I came away with the perception that the subject had been 
carefully considered. Oh, wait, you didn't see that on PPML? It met my 
needs though.

>> 1.      arin-discuss comes to mind.
> Hi Owen,
> Why does that not surprise me? Arin-discuss is a closed list,
> membership only. Not public.
> Sorry, that was a low blow. I realize you honestly forgot. Again.

Arin-discuss is a red herring, but I _DO_ get that you think every elected 
ARIN personage should document more pertinent thoughts and words. I feel 
that the current level of reporting is adequate. More is nice, but 
desperately needed, no. The PDP committee has been robust in soliciting 
input. There is always room for improvement, but we elected these folks to 
do a job and they should get on with it within what guidelines are current 
at the time. Sausage making and all that.

> On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 8:11 PM, Robert E. Seastrom
> <ppml at rs.seastrom.com> wrote:
>> Actually, Bill...  I am not alone among AC members in that I
>> intentionally limit my participation on PPML because I am more
>> interested in gauging community sentiment than in shaping it.

And to paraphrase Milton, They also serve who lurk.

back to the shadows

John Springer

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> Don't claim it. Just do it.
> Regards,
> Bill Herrin
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