[arin-ppml] [arin-council] AC Role in Petitions

Leo Bicknell bicknell at ufp.org
Sun Apr 17 11:06:43 EDT 2011


In a message written on Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 02:50:42AM -0500, Jimmy Hess wrote:
> That is, if the AC creates a rule that AC members shouldn't weigh in
> or be counted
> on petitions,  that's not part of the PDP, and  if an AC member
> deliberately breaks
> the AC rule  and files a response to support a petition,

I actually think the situation is a bit worse, and think the AC
should seek guidence on how Robert's Rules work.

Robert's Rules guide how the AC conducts its meetings.  There is a
concept of "Standing Rules" which are basically local details about
meetings, or minor changes to Roberts Rules for a local meeting.
The canonical example is "The meetings will start at 8PM on the
second tuesday."

I do not believe anything in Robert's Rules can control conduct
outside of a meeting.  A rule like "AC Members must speak in pig
latin when speaking to any ARIN member" is just unenforceable.  This
rule seeks to control AC member's conduct outside of a meeting
(voicing support of a petition) and thus I believe is unenforceable.

> If not, then the AC body can express their displeasure,  but  cannot change how
> petitions are counted,   without the BoT approving of their rule by accepting
> revision to the PDP itself.....

I believe I agree with this statement.  If an AC member voices
support they are a member of the community and must be counted by
the President under the current PDP.  AS the president determines
the outcome and informs the AC, the AC can take no action that
invalidates the petition.

I think the AC can express displeasure at this sort of behavior,
but I believe with the current rules and structure that actually
imposing a sanction would not be in order.

In short, I believe the AC's standing rule is not valid, and that
this rule cannot be implemented by the AC, it takes changing the
PDP.  I also believe Martin's support must be counted by the president
under the current PDP.

This could be changed by altering the PDP, which I've already said I am
against.

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       Leo Bicknell - bicknell at ufp.org - CCIE 3440
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