[arin-ppml] ARIN / Microsoft press release regarding IP address Transfers

Ted Mittelstaedt tedm at ipinc.net
Sat Apr 16 15:02:35 EDT 2011

On 4/16/2011 11:02 AM, Stephen Sprunk wrote:
> On 16-Apr-11 01:21, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
>> On 4/15/2011 9:28 PM, Stephen Sprunk wrote:
>>> On 15-Apr-11 20:06, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
>>>> What concerns me here is that the community very much wants these
>>>> transfer resources to go under RSA and be subject to fee payments.
>>> And who appointed you spokesman for the entire community?
>> The vast majority of posters on this list have stated they want
>> transfers to END UP under an RSA. The Simplified M&A policy
>> justification stated that - and that policy was adopted.
>> Many posters want the SELLING organization to sign an LRSA first, before
>> even being ALLOWED to "sell"
>> RSA implies fee payments.
>> My statement stands, with backup.
> Non-responsive.
>>   What about yours?
> Which statement of mine are you referring to?  The only quote from me
> above is a question, not a statement.
>>>> With the size of the transfer that would be a very significant
>>>> amount of money every year from the richest company on the planet
>>>> into ARINs coffers ...
>>> That depends on whether it's classified as an assignment or an
>>> allocation.  If the former, which I suspect it is, the maximum
>>> maintenance fee would be $100/yr, which Microsoft is already paying
>>> for other resources.  IOW, there would be no net-new recurring
>>> revenue to ARIN.
>> That's fine with me.
> So, you do not disagree with the logic?  And you admit that this
> probably will not result in "a very significant amount of money every
> year from the richest company on the planet into ARINs coffers"?

IF they are for internal use only.  As I said, the math does not
bear this out.  And you know it since you snipped that part -
rather than "non-responding" to it, whatever that means.

>> However I think that the amount of IP cannot be justified unless it's
>> going to MSN, it is just too large.
> The details of a specific request are usually under NDA, so we must
> trust that ARIN staff is following whatever policy(ies) apply to it.

And that is really what your entire argument/rant/bitch/fear-response
can be boiled down to.

Trust ARIN staff.

Because, after all, us children don't know enough to actually question
the great wise and all-knowing ARIN.

Trust ARIN

Trust ARIN

Trust ARIN

That's all you have to contribute.

It apparently escapes you that the community's control over the
policy development process is supposed to serve as a check on
ARIN staff actions as well as the Board's.  At least, that was the
case until the Board decided that they could use the "emergency"
procedure to jam anything they wanted into policy.  And we never
have been told exactly what that "emergency" was back in 2009.


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