[arin-ppml] DRAFT POLICY ARIN-2011-1: GLOBALLY COORDINATEDTRANSFER POLICY (Legecy space)

Warren Johnson warren at wholesaleinternet.com
Thu Apr 14 01:00:10 EDT 2011


I don't know my Internet History as well as I should but isn't this similar
to how Internic became Network Solutions?



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Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] DRAFT POLICY ARIN-2011-1: GLOBALLY
COORDINATEDTRANSFER POLICY (Legecy space)

Following Mr. Meuller's arguments to their logical conclusion the only sane
solution is to convert ARIN to a 'for profit' company and lease IP blocks at
the market rate.  Proposal anyone?

 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net] On
> Behalf Of Milton L Mueller
> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 4:35 PM
> To: 'Jeffrey I. Schiller'
> Cc: ARIN-PPML List
> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] DRAFT POLICY ARIN-2011-1: GLOBALLY
> COORDINATEDTRANSFER POLICY (Legecy space)
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 04:00:14PM -0400, Owen DeLong wrote:
> > > In a market where higher prices lead to greater production,
> > > speculation brings liquidity. In a market where increased production
> > > is not possible, speculation leads to higher prices and increases
> > > the probability of market manipulation.
> >
> > Who knows, in our context "production" might be interpreted as
> > increasing the rate of adoption of IPv6. Certainly if IPv4 addresses
> > were to become prohibitively expensive, IPv6 will look a lot more
> > attractive. Food for thought.
> 
> Exactly. Address trading of v4 blocks would start to reflect the true
> scarcity value of the addresses, as well as operators' judgments about the
> time horizon of their value. And that could help surmount the migration
> hump by putting a lot of adjustments into motion.
> 
> There is a weird schizophrenia in RIR list discussions of this problem
> which reveals that many people haven't thought this through very
> carefully. On the one hand, you get comments like this:
> 
> "Who cares, IPV4 is dead --"
> 
> Interspersed with comments suggesting that:
> 
> "Hoarding of IPv4 addresses by speculators will drive up prices to levels
> that will [pick one] i) destroy the internet ii) force us all into the
> arms of a merged AT&VZ; iii) be really, really bad
> 
> Is it just me, or is it not possible for both of those sentiments to be
> valid?
> 
> If IPv4 is really dead, it doesn't matter at all how we handle the trading
> or need for v4 blocks. Indeed, you should support hoarding and speculation
> because the hoarders and speculators will be defeated and lose their
> shirts.
> 
> If the "IPv4 is dead" meme is wrong (and I think it is _dead_ wrong) then
> it matters a lot how we handle trading policy. We have to define policies
> that adjust to the growing scarcity in the most efficient and socially
> beneficial way. Reiterating 1996-era best practices as if they were
> religious principles doesn't help.
> 
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