[arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-139 No reassignment without network service

Owen DeLong owen at delong.com
Fri Apr 8 23:27:39 EDT 2011

On Apr 8, 2011, at 4:27 PM, Jon Lewis wrote:

> On Fri, 8 Apr 2011, Owen DeLong wrote:
>> I disagree with you about the problems RIPE has experienced and I also don't feel that this measure is draconian at all. It merely requires that LIRs in the ARIN region be providing network services to the customers that they also provide address resources to.
> I probably would have been all for this had it been introduced at least several years ago, since it's simply a clarification of what I've always assumed were the rules.  At this point, with ARIN being so close to out of IPv4 space to hand out, it seems much like closing the doors on an empty barn.
The definition applies to IPv6 and IPv4.

> And what would become of all the orgs currently using "LIR-assigned" IP space with which they're not buying connectivity from that LIR?
One of four possibilities:

	1.	Treat them as grandfathered and/or ignore the discrepency.
	2.	Convert them to direct allocations without a renumber.
	3.	Restore or create some level of network service.
	4.	Renumber.

> How is "network services" to be defined?  We have a customer who was a multi-T1 customer for a number of years.  We've pulled out of their market, and rather than renumber themselves and all their customers, they chose to get alternate connectivity and VPN all their traffic through a router they sent to our data center, thus continuing to use the IP space we assigned to them back when they were a T1 customer.  Are they our connectivity customer now?
Yes... You are collecting and forwarding packets for their netblock. The underlying
technology for doing so is not relevant in my opinion.

> Since very soon, most orgs will not be able to get more IPv4 from ARIN, if this policy were approved, what would ARIN's recourse be if it somehow came to their attention that a member/LIR was violating 2.4?
There's no difference. If you're getting IP space after ARIN runs out and you need
PI, then, that's what section 8.3 is for. If you're not getting PI, then, it is "Provider
Assigned" or "Provider Aggregated" space and it is specifically not portable.


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