[arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-139 No reassignment without network service

Rodgers Moore rmoore at infiniteblue.net
Fri Apr 8 16:05:21 EDT 2011


How about this?

A Local Internet Registry (LIR) is an IR that assigns address space
exclusively to the down-stream consumer of the Network connectivity services that it provides. LIRs
are Network Service Providers (ISPs or NSPs), whose customers may
include end users and/or other ISPs/NSPs

Rodgers

From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Owen DeLong
Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 3:49 PM
To: Matthew Kaufman
Cc: arin-ppml at arin.net List
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-139 No reassignment without network service


On Apr 8, 2011, at 12:42 PM, Matthew Kaufman wrote:



On Apr 8, 2011, at 12:09 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:





On Apr 7, 2011, at 2:56 PM, ARIN wrote:

ARIN-prop-139 No reassignment without network service

Proposal Originator: Owen DeLong

Proposal Version: 1
...

A Local Internet Registry (LIR) is an IR that assigns address space
exclusively to the users of the network services that it provides. LIRs
are Network Service Providers (ISPs or NSPs), whose customers may
include end users and/or other ISPs/NSPs.


Please define where I have missed my intent so I can better clarify it.

Just say "assigns address space to networks directly connected through a layer 2 circuit" or something. "users of the network services it provides" is exactly as vague as things are now.

Can I just give them a shell account or a POP email account and they're a "user of the network services"? Totally unclear.

Neither of those is network service. Those are shell and email services possibly provided over a
network, but, they are not the provision of network services. If you would like, I can happily
define network services in section 2 of the NRPM as being the service of actually delivering
packets not necessarily related to the provision of a particular application, but, really, is
that actually necessary? Are you really so confused by the meaning of the term network
services?

If you want to explicitly require or prohibit something, come out and say it.

In general, I don't want to explicitly require or prohibit anything beyond the provision of
address space without the provision of network services. I believe that's what I came
out and said, so, I'm still confused as to where you see a disconnect between what
I said and what I meant. Yes, you produced a nice straw man for a semi-plausible
misinterpretation of the term network services. I'm not opposed to adding the
clarification of that term to the policy if you feel it is necessary... Something like:

Add to section 2:

2.12     The term network services shall mean the delivery of arbitrary packets
                        based on the destination prefix and not necessarily related to any
                        particular application or higher-layer service. Examples would include
                        IP routing, IP transit, network connectivity, etc.

Owen

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