[arin-ppml] Curious about consensus

[Ted Mittelstaedt]

On 4/26/2011 5:25 PM, John Curran wrote:
> On Apr 26, 2011, at 7:26 PM, Milton L Mueller wrote:
>>
>> But this is precisely my point. Everything you say here and below seems to be founded on the assumption that a transferor requires ARIN's pre-approval. Nortel has just blown that assumption out of the water. The fact that it is under bankruptcy court may strengthen its resolve not to be bothered with a transfer agreement involving ARIN, but I see no reason why _any_ legacy holder couldn't do the same thing.
>
> There is no requirement for pre-approval, but the likelihood
> of a successful transfer is greatly increased by doing so.
>

Define "unsuccessful transfer" please.

Has there been one?  Of all the transfers that have been done under
Section 8 has ARIN ashcanned ANY?

I would define a successful transfer under that section as "buyer"
gets "sellers" IPv4.  Unless a history exists of ARIN on occasion
ashcanning those kinds of transfers, then the threat of ARIN doing
so, due to utilization problems or whatever, simply doesn't exist.

The anti-trust people in the United States have power because they
have successfully blocked certain mergers and acquisitions.  They
didn't get power by singing kumbaya with every acquiring company.
No, they cost some arrogant SOB's who figured they would ignore the
anti-trust law and just merge anyway, big piles of money when the
courts broke those SOB's companies up.

Unless ARIN has a track record of doing that with certain parties
that feel they can treat IP addresses as property and buy and sell
them with impunity, then you are making empty threats about buyers
needing to be pre-approved.

> ARIN will maintain the Whois database for this region according
> to the community-developed policies, and that includes processing
> requests for transferring number resources.
>

If ARIN feels that existing transfer policy does not give it the
authority needed to set examples for the scumbags and speculators
out there to keep them in line, then please, speak up!

Ted

> /John
>
> John Curran
> President and CEO
> ARIN
>
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