[arin-ppml] Preemptive IPv6 assignment

Brian Johnson bjohnson at drtel.com
Tue Oct 12 11:58:26 EDT 2010

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>From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net] On
>Behalf Of William Herrin
>Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 10:46 AM
>To: arin-ppml at arin.net
>Subject: [arin-ppml] Preemptive IPv6 assignment
>Hi folks,
>Over the course of the week I've had the opportunity to talk to a
>number of wonderful folks in the operator community here at the
>meeting in Atlanta. As expected we often talked of IPv6 and in some
>cases the conversation wandered to a question that has puzzled me for
>some time:

I also was there and heard several conversations on this matter. There
are tons of ideas about this, and without diligent research into each,
all of them sound good on their face as a means to prod along
allocations, NOT DEPLOYMENT. We can give every grain of sand on the
planet an IPv6 address/prefix/whatever, but that would not mean that any
of them deploy the prefix. Key difference here.

>"Why not look in the BGP table, take every announced ARIN AS number
>and preemptively assign IPv6 addresses to each associated organization
>that doesn't already have them? Not forever of course... give it three
>years and then the assignments evaporate unless claimed by signing an
>RSA and paying the annual fees."

I'm all about the free giveaways at conferences, but this is a bridge
too far. AS assignment != demonstrated need. We need to ensure we do not
move too  far from the principle that we assign resources on a

>When I posed this question the responses were largely variants on,
>"That would make too much sense."

I never said that. :-)

>So I put it to the list. Have we some stick rammed far enough up our
>collective backside that we're willing to tell people: you MUST deploy
>IPv6, it alone will save the Internet's soul. And oh by the way you
>need our permission to start for real. So fill out the form, make your
>checks payable and we'll get back to you.

Please keep your backside to yourself. :-)  I have no such stick and do
not see such a stick in the "collective posterior" of ARIN. I'm excited
to move forward and I feel it is important, but, as always, demand and
scarcity will drive the IPv6 train into the future. Even if we start
telling people they have to get a resource that they do not want, even
if it is a bad/silly decision to refuse the resource, it will not drive
adoption or deployment of IPv6 IMHO. It may even create a bit of a chasm
in the community.

>For your consideration,
>Bill Herrin

It was great to hear you speak at the meeting and I appreciate your
perspectives on these issues. Please keep in mind that the carrot is
always better than the stick, no matter where you are keeping it. :-)

- Brian J.

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