[arin-ppml] Policy Question(s)
mcr at sandelman.ca
Mon Oct 4 09:12:38 EDT 2010
>>>>> "Ronald" == Ronald F Guilmette <rfg at tristatelogic.com> writes:
Ronald> Company B still exists. It has an active web site and it is
Ronald> taking orders for T1 lines. The grand total of all IP
Ronald> address space that Company B ever had, even in its heyday,
Ronald> was the /18, and a tiny little /29, which was obtained out
Ronald> of the allocation of another provider. Because of the early
Ronald> date of /18 allocation, and the chain of inheritance, my
Ronald> guess is that most probably, Company B never had to
Ronald> ``justify'' their use of the /18 at all, ever. (Is that
Ronald> Fast forward to October of last year, 2009. In that month,
Ronald> a brand new Limited Liability Company (LLC) was formed in
Ronald> the same state as Companies A and B. Let's call this
Ronald> `Company C'. The mailing address for Company C is the same
Ronald> as that for Company B.
Ronald> Now, fast forward to today. Right now, today, ARIN records
Ronald> show the /18 to be registered to Company C.
Company B still exists, I think? Does it still do business?
Does it still have T1 customers?
Ronald> Would it ever have been permissible for Company B to sell,
Ronald> to ``gift'', or to in any other way transfer, just late last
Ronald> year, its /18 to this brand new LLC, Company C?
It could certainly assign address space from B->C, just like it would
any other chunk. Can it assign the entire /18, I don't know. If it did
that, whois would still show company B in the chain.
Ronald> Does it make any difference that Company B and Company C
Ronald> seem to be in some sense ``sister'' companies, perhaps with
Ronald> a significant overlap of management and/or ownership?
Yes, because it makes it much more likely to explain that Company C acquired
Company B, and that Company B is really a wholy-owned subsidiary.
Ronald> I guess my question is: Can a brand new company, with no
Ronald> history whatsoever, file papers with the state, to become a
Ronald> legit, LLC, and then waltz in to ARIN the very next day and
Ronald> get themselves a whole fresh new /18 ? Can they do it if
yes, there are ways they could do that: having some kind of construction
contract inked and signed for some kind of network build that would be
completed within 30 days, and would use an entire allocation.
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