[arin-ppml] Reclaiming unused IPv4 space (WAS: Draft Policy 2010-10 (Global Proposal):GlobalPolicy for IPv4 Allocations by the IANA Post Exhaustion- Last Call (textrevised))

Ted Mittelstaedt tedm at ipinc.net
Wed Nov 3 13:32:34 EDT 2010

On 11/3/2010 9:28 AM, Hannigan, Martin wrote:
> On 11/3/10 12:20 PM, "John Curran"<jcurran at arin.net>  wrote:
>> On Nov 3, 2010, at 9:06 AM, Chris Grundemann wrote:
>>> 3) If the community adopted a policy which stated that unused
>>> resources assigned/allocated to defunct organizations should be
>>> reclaimed by ARIN, could ARIN reclaim such space? Would you actively
>>> work to?
>> As long as we can understand the policy as defined, we will actively follow
>> any policy adopted.
> I guess I'm wondering if there is a problem to solve? I thought that this
> came up at a recent policy meeting; it "looks" like we aren't doing
> anything, but in fact we are

I will call BS on that.  Maybe for some stuff but there's a lot of work
that still needs to be done.

> and that statistics would be posted to
> demonstrate e.g. we have stats on fraud reporting and they clearly
> demonstrate what some think is fraud really isn't.
> Any way we can demonstrate if there really is a problem before writing a
> proposal that is likely to be very difficult to reach consensus?

Yes, Martin.

I have posted SEVERAL TIMES to this list the following data:

Back in 1999 we had a customer with a legacy /24, Leatherman Tools.
The block is NET-199-248-255-0-1 you can look it up in WHOIS.

The customer disconnected from us around 2002 and went to a competitor.
The competitor would not add this block into their routing and forced
the customer to renumber.  The customer renumbered their internal 
network into private numbers and forgot about this block.

For the next few years we used this block for various things,
our upstreams still were routing it.

Our former network admin, Byron, had left the company by then but
he had changed the POC e-mail on the block to his address at his
new company - because he used the same tech handle (BCO-ARIN) on
some other blocks he was admining.

Eventually we got our own allocations and stopped using this
block permanently.

Since then I have periodically checked the status of this block to
see how it is faring.

Our former admin's company went bankrupt and his e-mail address
on BCO-ARIN became owned by a domain name speculator sometime around
2006-2007 I think.

Today, the block is STILL IN the WHOIS.  The POC on it uses
hostmaster at speculator-owned-domain.com (hostmaster at hcorp.com)
so it probably is passing muster with the ARIN e-mail POC check.

The block does not appear in the DFZ and hasn't since 2004, when
we stopped advertising it.  In 2004 I told the ARIN hostmaster it
was abandoned.  I have e-mailed the hostmaster this at least once
since and faxed a bunch of junk to them showing the history.  And I have 
posted this to the list several times.

Frankly the block has become more useful (IMHO) disproving assertions
that ARIN's handling of legacy space is "working" than it ever was
carrying traffic.

If ARIN cannot "handle" this, even after I have used this example
multiple times to publically embarrass people who claim that everything
is A-OK, then YOU KNOW there is a problem.  You would think that
just for PR's sake that John or someone like that would pull the
hostmaster aside quietly and say "please take care of this so that
he can't squeak about it anymore" ;-)


> Best,
> -M<
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