[arin-ppml] Draft Policy 2010-10 (Global Proposal): GlobalPolicy for IPv4 Allocations by the IANA Post Exhaustion - Last Call (textrevised)

Ted Mittelstaedt tedm at ipinc.net
Tue Nov 2 18:37:37 EDT 2010

On 11/2/2010 2:42 PM, John Curran wrote:
> On Nov 2, 2010, at 2:57 PM, Mike Burns wrote:
>> John,
>> How was the registration database maintained in accordance with community
>> policies and yet the ORG and POC information for some legacy records has
>> been changed?
> Organizations with legacy address blocks may update their point of contact
> information (in fact, they can now do it online via ARIN Online, probably
> why we have more than 20,000 ARIN Online accounts... :-)  Remember, we are
> actively requesting all organizations to update their Point of Contact (POC)
> information via electronic reminders.  More information about this program
> and its progress was given at the Atlanta meeting:
> <https://www.arin.net/participate/meetings/reports/ARIN_XXV/PDF/Monday/Nobile_POC_Validation.pdf>
>> Are we to assume by your statements that the 16/8 block HAS to have an LSRA
>> signed, since the original recipients of this legacy block are no longer
>> listed in the registration database?
>> And, if this is the case, can we assume that justification was provided per
>> NRPM 8.2?

Mike, the problem with the Legacy holders is that the ARIN community has 
never agreed to exert the RIR's authority over them.  There are many
historical reasons (some valid, some not) for this, but the Legacy
holders aren't stupid.  They know that until the community unites
against them and tells them all to sign an LSRA and thus come under
obligation to the NRPM and it's justification requirements, (or face the 
whois database being purged of their records) that they
can do whatever the hell they want.  Including changing the POC to
some other org, essentially transferring the block to someone else.
John Curran is just trying to say this in a nice fashion to you.  But
truthfully he has absolutely no lever over the non-LRSA Legacy holders,
because the one lever he can use, the community won't give to ARIN.

I frankly think that the situation now is more of a fairness thing,
it is grossly unfair to the LRSA signatories for some of their peers
to to continue to flout the intent of the LRSA and ignore it.  I do
not understand why the RSA holders unite against the Legacy holders
and I -definitely- don't understand why the LRSA signatories unite
against the non-LRSA Legacy holders, but until that happens, nothing
is going to change.


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