[arin-ppml] ARIN Advisory Council Thoughts about IPv4 Policies

[Bill Darte]

Yes, 
Scott has this exactly right in my view.
This is about predictability.  If the 'rules' continue to change then
organizations and individuals will find it hard to plan their course of
action.  If the change proposed by the community through future policy
is has great enough value and consensus impact, then fine...otherwise
stability and the status quo may offer greater value.

bd

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> [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Scott Leibrand
> Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 12:39 PM
> To: arin-ppml at arin.net
> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN Advisory Council Thoughts about 
> IPv4 Policies
> 
> Thanks for your feedback, Ted.
> 
> I'm not speaking for the AC, but my own take is this:
> 
> Policies that have already been accepted onto the AC's docket 
> will continue to be worked as before.  New policies (those 
> received recently, and not yet accepted onto the AC's docket, 
> as well as future policies) will get a higher level of scrutiny.
> 
> I think the way this should work is that originators continue 
> to introduce proposals as before, and they get posted to 
> PPML.  After a proposal is posted to PPML, the AC will 
> monitor discussion to see if a policy proposal gets any 
> significant support.  If so, and/or if the AC feels that the 
> proposal would have a compelling benefit over the status quo, 
> then the AC accepts the policy proposal onto our docket and 
> works it as normal.  If not, then the AC votes to abandon it, 
> and the author or any other interested party can petition it 
> if desired.
> 
> I think the main message here is: we're seeing a bunch of 
> proposals that may have only small or temporary benefits to 
> the community, but could require significant time, 
> discussion, and effort on everyone's part.  So you're about 
> to see the AC start raising the bar for such proposals, and 
> rejecting ones that we feel don't have a compelling benefit 
> to the community and/or don't have significant community support.
> 
> What I'd like to see from the community as a result of this 
> is a lot more clear statements of support or opposition to 
> proposals when they're first introduced on PPML, and before 
> the AC accepts them onto the docket.  If there's significant 
> support for a proposal, we want to make sure to accept it, 
> not force a petition.
> 
> Hope that helps.  Please let us know if you think we're on 
> the wrong track here, or should tweak anything.  And please 
> make sure you've commented on each new policy proposal as to 
> whether you think the AC should take it up.
> 
> Thanks,
> Scott
> 
> 
> On Wed 5/12/2010 10:24 AM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
> > John,
> >
> >   Two questions and a comment.
> >
> > 1) Is the AC then choosing to take all existing proposals 
> that are in 
> > the middle of the process and just short-circuit them?
> >
> > Or does this just affect NEW policy proposals from this time period 
> > onward?
> >
> >
> > 2)What about policy proposals that affect BOTH IPv6 and IPv6 
> > assignments?  Are they going to be affected by this "IPv4 short 
> > circuit" decision?
> >
> >
> > To be perfectly honest it seems to me that this is going to force 
> > people who want to make IPv4 policy proposals to "float"
> > proposal ideas on the mailing list, in order to see if 
> there will be 
> > "strong initial support" rather than submit them to the policy 
> > proposal process, which then "floats" them to the community 
> and see if 
> > there's support via the policy proposal review process.
> >
> > In other words, the effective result will be that the AC merely 
> > succeeds in "informalizing" a portion of the policy 
> proposal process 
> > through the law of unintended consequences.
> >
> > I don't know if this is what the AC really wants or not, but I am 
> > pretty sure that this decision of the AC isn't going to 
> stop the flood 
> > of "IPv4 End Game" policy proposal ideas.
> >
> > As long as there's a severe shortage of IPv4 (which there will be
> > post-runout) and IPv4 remains a requirement of Internet 
> connectivity, 
> > people will be motivated to attempt to modify ARIN's stewardship of 
> > those resources via changes to the NRPM.
> >
> > Ted
> >
> > On 5/12/2010 8:51 AM, Sweeting, John wrote:
> >> To All Members of the Community,
> >>
> >> The AC strongly believes that the whole of the ARIN community 
> >> requires and deserves a stable policy environment in order 
> to better 
> >> prepare and plan for IPv4 run out and deployment of IPv6.
> >>
> >> With that in mind, the AC would like to advise the community that 
> >> unless a proposal affecting IPv4 assignments has a 
> compelling benefit 
> >> for and receives strong initial support from the community the AC 
> >> will most likely choose to abandon the proposal. The AC recognizes 
> >> its commitment to the community and after introspection and 
> >> discussion has concluded that this is the best course of action.
> >> Please provide comments either through PPML or directly to 
> individual 
> >> AC members.
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