[arin-ppml] RIPE/ITU

William Herrin bill at herrin.us
Thu Mar 4 02:38:21 EST 2010

On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 8:18 PM, John Curran <jcurran at arin.net> wrote:
> On Mar 4, 2010, at 9:08 AM, Milton L Mueller wrote:
>>You see, my friends,
>>what you have going on here is a large segment of the
>>world's governments asking themselves why a nonprofit,
>>self-formed group of technicians is assuming
>>transnational regulatory and governance powers
>>that, in the past, were held by national governments.
>  When I check my coat, the attendant gives me a tag with
>  a number on it.  The numbers are generally unique to the
>  establishment, given out freely or as part of a service
>  bundle for a nominal fee, and aren't given out without
>  need for one.

Read those two paragraphs again John. Process is important but we do
ourselves no favors by failing to appreciate 30,000 foot view.

On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 8:51 PM, Milton L Mueller <mueller at syr.edu> wrote:
>>I could be mistaken, but it seems to me there's essentially no chance
>>of the ARIN community supporting a global proposal to make ITU a
>>competitive IR for public Internet addresses. I would also be
>>surprised if the other regions welcome ITU treading on their turf.
> et tu, Herrin, nothing more than a turf battle?


It will be what ITU makes of it. If ITU pursues the position that
they're better able to solve the world's network number issues than
the RIRs then it's nothing more than a turf battle and ITU's effort
almost certainly fizzles.

If ITU wants a seat at the table without a turf battle, they should
focus their efforts on something that doesn't seriously overlap
existing RIR responsibilities, such as ULA.

If ITU wants to back off further and initiate policy discussions in
the various regions about things like unequal distribution of
addresses then it won't be a turf battle. But before they can get any
traction at all on unequal distribution, they'll first have to explain
why we should expect addressing to become a persistent zero-sum game.
Because it hasn't been a zero-sum game to date and unless it becomes a
zero-sum game, unequal distribution is the kind of specious argument
that the RIRs' policy development processes are designed to weed out.

Bill Herrin

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