[arin-ppml] Set aside round deux

Andrew Dul andrew.dul at quark.net
Fri Jul 30 01:18:42 EDT 2010


 Has anyone considered that maybe what we should do is just reserve the
block for future use and not try to predict the future too much at this
point and instead comeback after IPv4 exhaustion and then write an
appropriate policy.  Yes this does kick the ball down the field, but it
also allows the ability to have space to work with in the future to use
for an appropriate use after IPv4 run-out.

Andrew

On 7/26/2010 1:49 PM, Hannigan, Martin wrote:
>
>
> And a minor correction please. I meant proposal 116 v. 109 when I
> referenced it.
>
>
> On 7/26/10 4:37 PM, "cja at daydream.com" <packetgrrl at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>     Owen,
>
>     So do you feel that this is bad all around or just the minimum
>     allocation unit needs to be changed to something smaller?  Others
>     out there?  What are your thoughts regarding a minimum/maximum
>     allocation size for this last /8?  
>
>     ----Cathy
>
>     On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:
>
>         Marty,
>                 How do you expect anyone but the largest of the large
>         and extra large
>         organizations to qualify for a /20 of IPv4 space under this
>         proposal?
>
>                 This is a really interesting way to attempt to reserve
>         the last /8 for use
>         only by the largest organizations ARIN serves, but, I really
>         don't think that
>         is good policy.
>
>         Owen
>
>         On Jul 26, 2010, at 1:22 PM, Hannigan, Martin wrote:
>
>         >
>         >
>         > Hello PPML:
>         >
>         >
>         > Since it seemed to have been very helpful to vet the global
>         policy idea on
>         > the list, I thought it might be helpful to use it to frame my
>         non-support
>         > for 109. This is, just like the last time, very raw, but I
>         expect to solicit
>         > some time during open policy hour to discuss a more polished
>         version.
>         >
>         > A few points.
>         >
>         > - This idea takes us in the direction of actual transition
>         > - Define an acceptable use list
>         > - Seeks to address COSTS
>         > - Levels the playing field between small and large
>         > - Reserves an entire /8 for transition, not for business as usual
>         > - Counters the high priced "market" that is emerging by
>         deferring it's need
>         >
>         > May not get us all the way through, but every month that we
>         can avoid
>         > sending people to markets is a month of reduced costs IMHO.
>         And it is about
>         > costs at this point. It's a given that it is going to happen.
>         >
>         > Too soon for "for" or "against", but most definitely open to
>         feedback. Don't
>         > focus on the words, focus on the ideas. Feedback very much
>         appreciated.
>         >
>         >
>         > --draft, group working comments removed for ease of read
>         >
>         > 1. Transition Pool
>         >
>         > ARIN will set-aside the final /8 allocated form the IANA to
>         facilitate
>         > transition from IPv4 to IPv6. The resulting "transition pool"
>         will become
>         > immediately available for allocations under this policy. This
>         pool will be
>         > known as the "transition pool".
>         >
>         > 2. Minimum and Maximum Allocation Unit
>         >
>         > The minimum allocation unit will be a /20. The maximum
>         allocation unit will
>         > be /15.
>         >
>         > 2. Allocation Method
>         >
>         > ARIN will determine and utilize the best method possible for
>         allocations
>         > with the goal of maximizing what can be allocated balanced by
>         minimum
>         > deaggregation.
>         >
>         > 3. Eligibility
>         >
>         > An applicant will become eligible to receive IPv4 addresses
>         from this pool
>         > when they meet the following requirements:
>         >
>         > 1. Applicant will provide a written plan detailing how the
>         addresses will be
>         > used and on what devices.
>         >
>         > 2. Previous allocations or assignments under this policy must
>         continue to
>         > meet the justification requirements of this policy.
>         >
>         > 3. Must have applied for, been approved, received and be
>         utilizing an ARIN
>         > allocated IPv6 allocation or assignment.
>         >
>         > 4. All allocations or assignments made under this policy must
>         be efficiently
>         > utilized to a rate of 80%.
>         >
>         > 5. Applicant must demonstrate that no other allocations or
>         assignments that
>         > they have received will meet their requirements.
>         >
>         > 6. Applicants must provide documentation that demonstrates
>         that the
>         > addresses received under this policy will be used only on
>         dual stack devices
>         > that will have both an IPv4 and IPv6 address that will both
>         be reachable
>         > natively.
>         >
>         > 7. Be in compliance with Section 4, Acceptable Use of Addresses.
>         >
>         >
>         > 4. Acceptable Use of Addresses
>         >
>         > 1. A single IPv4 /32 for providers to assign to 6 to 4 NAT
>         gateways for each
>         > each layer 3 contagious v6 only customer networks thereby
>         enabling IPv4
>         > connectivity for an IPv6-only customer networks. Customers
>         must not have
>         > available IPv4 addresses.
>         >
>         > 2. A single IPv4 /32 for providers to assign to 4 to 4 NAT
>         gateways for each
>         > each layer 3 contagious v6 customer networks to deploy IPv4
>         RFC-1918 in
>         > addition to (and NOT instead of) IPv6 thereby enabling IPv4
>         connectivity for
>         > an IPv6-only customer networks.. Customers must not have
>         available IPv4
>         > addresses.
>         >
>         > 3. Customer networks qualifying under 4.1 or 4.2 (above) may
>         qualify for
>         > additional IPv4 address to meet multi-homing traffic
>         engineering needs or to
>         > address stand-alone NAT devices as specified below:
>         >
>         > A. A single IPv4 /32 for each interconnect for each
>         mult-homed layer 3
>         > contiguous customer network that requires traffic
>         engineering. For example a
>         > network with two interconnects to a single upstream provider
>         can get one
>         > IPv4 /32 for each of their two interconnects, and distribute
>         their internal
>         > hosts between the two outside NAT addresses for traffic
>         engineering.
>         >
>         > B. Customer networks that require stand-alone NAT devices
>         (not integrated
>         > into their CPE router) qualify for enough IPv4 addresses to
>         number the
>         > loopback addresses (if needed) for all edge routers that have
>         one or more
>         > connections to a transit provider, enough IPv4 addresses to
>         number each of
>         > the point-to-point links between those routers and their
>         transit provider,
>         > as well as the point to point links between those routers and
>         directly
>         > connected NAT appliances. As well as one IPv4 address for
>         each of these
>         > directly connected NAT appliances.
>         >
>         >
>         > 4. Loopback addresses for edge routers that have one or more
>         connections to
>         > transit providers and/or peers
>         >
>         > 5. Address for point to point links between edge routers and
>         their transit
>         > providers [why does it need to be unique v. 1918?] [that is
>         an interesting
>         > point... We use globally unique as a matter of not breaking
>         routing by
>         > accident. I have to think about if it would be generally
>         acceptable to use
>         > RFC-1918. Interesting question!]
>         >
>         > 7. A /32 for routers in a greenfield network that are dual
>         stacked.
>         > [redundant to 3/5?] [this is not redundant... In this case I
>         need an IPv4
>         > routerID to make BGP work. If I want to be a green-filed IPv6
>         transit
>         > provider I need one IPv4 address for each router]
>         >
>         > 8. /32 for public facing name servers, NTP servers, SMTP
>         servers and Web
>         > servers which are dual stacked and reachable on IPv4 and IPv6
>         networks.
>         >
>         > 9. Dual stacked VPN aggregation ex. v6 -> v4 one IPv4 /32 per
>         VPN aggregator
>         >
>         >
>         > 5. Reservation Forecasting
>         >
>         > An applicant may provide ARIN with a thirty-month forecast of
>         IPv4 address
>         > need. ARIN will reserve the requested size in compliance with
>         Section 2 and
>         > 3. When a reservation forecast is approved by ARIN, the
>         applicant will then
>         > be authorized to draw down from the forecast quarterly. Prior
>         to requesting
>         > reserved addresses, applicant will provide documentation to
>         ARIN that they
>         > have maintained utilization requirements for previous
>         allocation. If
>         > applicant fails to meet utilization requirements for two
>         consecutive
>         > quarters, ARIN will cancel the reservation and return unused
>         addresses to
>         > the pool.
>         >
>         >
>         > Example:
>         >
>         > Applicant applies to ARIN under this policy and submits a
>         thirty-month
>         > forecast requesting a /16. Using criteria established in the
>         NRPM and this
>         > policy, ARIN will determine if applicant is eligible and has
>         need. If the
>         > applicant meets the requirements for the allocation, they
>         will reserve a
>         > /16. The applicant will then be allocated 3/30th of the
>         forecasted
>         > requirement in a CIDR block or equivalent number of IPv4
>         addresses. ARIN
>         > will round down allocations or assignments to the closest
>         CIDR single block.
>         > Rounding errors will be applied to the last allocation of the
>         last quarter
>         > of the thirty month period and allocated then.
>         >
>         >
>         > 6. Dual Stack Requirement
>         >
>         > Addresses from this pool may only be used on dual stack
>         devices that are to
>         > be reachable via both IPv4 and IPv6 networks.
>         >
>         >
>         > 7. Application Frequency
>         >
>         > Applicants may apply for address space from the transition
>         pool once per
>         > quarter. If an applicant has an existing thirty-month
>         forecast that has been
>         > approved by ARIN, they are ineligible to apply for more
>         address space until
>         > their reservation has been exhausted. If an applicant has had
>         a reservation
>         > cancelled due to policy compliance issues including
>         utilization, they are
>         > not eligble to apply for addresses.
>         >
>         >
>         > 8. Post Exhaustion Refresh
>         >> From the point of the issuance of the final /8 from the
>         IANA, ARIN will
>         > dispose of all address space that it may receive using this
>         policy.
>         >
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