[arin-ppml] Set aside round deux
bill at herrin.us
Wed Jul 28 01:57:58 EDT 2010
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 6:00 PM, Chris Grundemann <cgrundemann at gmail.com> wrote:
> I think that any policy that intentionally favors or disfavors any
> particular organization or group of organizations is not in the
> interest of Internet stewardship.
We can't have that, Chris. Just imagine... what if there was a region,
say the Caribbean, which had to meet different standards than everyone
else? What if we arbitrarily divided ISPs and non-ISPs and gave them
different rules, even gave some of them the right to vote and some
not? What if, and this one's a doozy, what if the fee for an address
was orders of magnitude different depending on how many addresses you
No, we can't have favoritism in the process, that would be wrong. So
let me adjust my unreasonable notion:
Perhaps any registrant requesting 4.10 addresses should first show
cause why aggressive compression of their existing allocation (via
NAT, v6-only deployments, etc.) can not be made to supply the needed
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 6:57 PM, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:
> On Jul 27, 2010, at 8:29 PM, William Herrin wrote:
>> I can sell "security enhanced Internet service for your protection,"
>> that sits behind a NAT firewall. I prepared this email using such a
>> service in my hotel room. Doubtless you've used a few such services
>> yourself. There's no fundamental reason it wouldn't be valid in other
>> eyeball networks, not just hotels and hot spots.
> Indeed I have used such services. They have always caused so many
> problems that after a couple of hours on the phone with technical
> support, my charges for the service are refunded.
> Does that count as a sale?
You're special, Owen, one of a single-digit percentage of all the
Internet consumers out there who just can seem to function with NAT.
Special is good, but if we can get the other 90%+ of the eyeballs, the
ones who aren't so special, to share IPv4 addresses via large scale
NAT and v6 to v4 translation processes, there will be plenty of IPv4
addresses left over for special people for quite some time to come.
William D. Herrin ................ herrin at dirtside.com bill at herrin.us
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