[arin-ppml] How bad is it really?

Owen DeLong owen at delong.com
Wed Jul 14 17:44:28 EDT 2010

On Jul 14, 2010, at 12:11 PM, <michael.dillon at bt.com> wrote:

>> Whether you consider it fraud, abuse, or negligence, SWIPing resources
>> to an
>> ORG that is no longer using them (or leaving them SWIPped as such) is
>> in
>> violation of ARIN policy and the RSA. As such, if you know of a
>> situation where
>> an ORG has done so, the right thing to do is report it through the
>> fraud and
>> abuse reporting process.
> Actually I think this is a stupid approach and will just lead to
> lawsuits.
> Martin Hannigan had the right idea when he suggested that you should
> 1. send an email to the former provider asking for the record to
>   be updated, and
> 2. send an email to ARIN CCing the former provider, asking ARIN 
>   to clean up the provider's mess.
> And none of this needs to be reported to fraud or abuse departments
> since it is a simple operational issue of exception handling. Mistakes
> are common and you need an exception process to collect mistakes and
> shepherd them through to correction.
ARIN doesn't have a fraud or abuse department. The fraud and abuse
complaints to ARIN are handled by Registration Services almost identical
to the way CCing hostmaster as you mention above will get handled.

I don't see how reporting this kind of violation of the RSA through the
ARIN process intended for such reports will result in lawsuits. Could you
please explain that rather bizarre conclusion?


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