[arin-ppml] How bad is it really?

Owen DeLong owen at delong.com
Mon Jul 12 21:21:50 EDT 2010

On Jul 12, 2010, at 5:36 PM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:

> On 7/12/2010 3:02 PM, John Curran wrote:
>> On Jul 12, 2010, at 2:38 PM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
>>> Keep in mind that Section 3.6.1 requires ARIN to publish a list of
>>> invalid POCS, so we should have in a year or two a list of subnets
>>> that are "ripe for mining" as they say.
>> Ted is right on target here, and we're proceeding with POC
>> validation at an aggressive rate.  (For more information, see
>> <https://www.arin.net/resources/services/poc_validation.html>)
>> We're presently sending out 7500 validation requests each week,
>> and getting just over a 33% update rate on those requests. It's
>> too early to draw conclusions, but there's obviously ample space
>> which presently lacks a responsive contact.  We'll provide a more
>> detailed update on POC validation during the October PPML meeting.
> I will chime in here and caution that only the POCs that are applied to entire allocated blocks are going to affect the supply of "reclaimable"
> IPv4.  I would guess the majority of invalid POCs were created from

Not necessarily... Invalid POCs may lead to an organization having insufficient
justification for all of their current resources under a section 12 resource review.

> old SWIPS that were filed and just forgotten about.  While it's

Right... These could lead to useful or meaningful invocations of section 12.

> good to mark these as invalid so that it does not waste the
> community's time when attempting to solve spamming/network attack/
> routing problems, as well as inform the parent ISP that the subnet
> which is part of their block needs correction, the interesting
> part is going to be when ARIN runs across a legacy block that
> is simply unused, not advertised, with a defunct org on it.
I still don't think that reclamation will do anything to provide a significant quantity
of useful address space, but, I didn't want to leave the claim that old SWIPs that
are forgotten are irrelevant to reclamation unanswered. That could give the
impression that they were a safe-harbour for hoarding addresses, which they
certainly should not be and are not under current policy.

> Of course the REAL interesting part will be if ARIN runs across
> a large unused block that is not being advertised, is not being used internally, yet the org is still -paying-the-yearly-renewal for it and
> doesn't even know that they don't need to do that anymore.
Yep. I doubt that is as likely as some people seem to believe, but, we should
know relatively soon.


> Ted
>> /John
>> John Curran
>> President and CEO
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