[arin-ppml] How bad is it really?

Chris Grundemann cgrundemann at gmail.com
Mon Jul 12 17:15:20 EDT 2010

On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 14:26,  <lar at mwtcorp.net> wrote:
> There is a LOT of abandoned space. In my case I know of a /20 and two /21's
> of PA space that we used and returned to the provider that is still unused.
> The
> two /21's are in whois as still being assigned to me even though I have
> repeatedly asked to have it changed. I have a customer that has 2 - /24's
> and a /23,
> similar thing same large provider. The large providers that have allowed the
> whois to get stale will be able to meet their IPV4 needs for awhile
> by reclaiming assigned and unused space.

Disconnect orders in general seem to get far less attention then they
should in most providers, in my experience.  In addition to
languishing IP space, there are numerous physical ports, VLAN tags,
private AS numbers, type-2 circuits, etc. out there. The circuits and
ports seem to get cleaned up more often (usually in batches as part of
a cost-cutting project) because they cost money. In companies/networks
where VLAN availability becomes an issue, those start to get cleaned
up too. I am sure that we can expect the same with IPv4 nets, as you

> I think it was just easier to get
> new than keep track and reclaim old space rather than some evil plan but
> I know it's out there in great number.
> Larry Ash
> Network Administrator
> Mountain West Telephone
> 123 W 1st St.
> Casper, WY 82601
> Office 307 233-8387
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