[arin-ppml] Policy Proposal 95: Customer Confidentiality
joe at joesdatacenter.com
Fri Jan 29 03:01:58 EST 2010
I am accountable for the utilization of the resources allocated to me
by arin already. Saying that anyone utilizing a small fraction of it
should be publicly known is a opinion not a fact. I'm only making this
a point because this is a open discussion and I do not want people to
mistake what you said as a factual statement when really its an
opinion. I would also like to urge people to read the actual proposal
because it states that I would still have to give the customers name
but would only be hiding there address and telephone information which
could easily be used by competitors to try and contact my customers. I
have heard the debate about this proposal being used to try and hide
malicious users but I would only have to assume that they could be
dishonest about those customers to try and hide them even with the way
it is handled now. That debate really has nothing to do with this
proposal but more to do with consequences for people who do not handle
abuse. The people who are honest about customer swip data would still
provide the actual customer name and would only hide the address and
phone number. If somebody wanted the malicious user removed from a
network they would still contact the person who the ip space has been
allocated too and who is ultimately responsible for it. I don't think
anyone here is trying to claim that they own the ip space or that they
want to harbor malicious users.
On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 1:29 AM, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:
> Because it is not "your" IP space, it is the public IP space which you have
> been delegated stewardship over a portion of for so long as the you remain
> in compliance with the policies set by the community for your stewardship
> of that space.
> Being a public resource, those using anything more than a very small fraction
> of it should be publicly known and publicly accountable for their utilization
> of that public resource.
> On Jan 28, 2010, at 3:04 PM, Joe Morgan wrote:
>> That is really not the point of this proposal. The point is that I
>> should not have to give up my entire customer list to my competitors.
>> If somebody is having problems with a company doing business under my
>> IP space then there is no reason why they cant contact my arin abuse
>> poc. I would rather those go to me than to the customer that can just
>> ignore it. I already have problems with people sending complaints to
>> the wrong places and I never even get contacted with the abuse
>> complaint. I don't understand as arin can request the information why
>> does it need to be open to the public?
>> On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 4:42 PM, Scott Leibrand <scottleibrand at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 1/28/2010 2:35 PM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
>>>> Kevin Kargel wrote:
>>>>> I agree with and support the AC's decision to abandon Policy proposal 95.
>>>> So do I, but I would suggest that anyone opposed DO NOT respond to
>>>> this. All your doing is re-opening the discussion again which is,
>>>> of course, exactly what the submitter wants.
>>> I voted to abandon this proposal, but IMO it's still perfectly valid to
>>> discuss the issue here on PPML. Specifically, the question at hand is
>>> whether to make this proposal a draft policy and discuss it at the
>>> face-to-face public policy meeting in Toronto. The AC gave our opinion, and
>>> now it's up to the community to petition to advance the proposal if enough
>>> of you disagree with the AC on the matter.
>>> This is also the first use of the petition process under the new PDP, so I'm
>>> hoping to see the process run smoothly, whatever the outcome.
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>> Thank You,
>> Joe Morgan
>> Joe's Datacenter, LLC
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