[arin-ppml] NRPM 2010.1 ­ New Policies Implemented

[Ted Mittelstaedt]

marty at akamai.com wrote:
> On 1/13/10 3:44 PM, "Ted Mittelstaedt" <tedm at ipinc.net> wrote:
> 
>> marty at akamai.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 1/13/10 3:06 PM, "Member Services" <info at arin.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> On 18 December 2009 the ARIN Board of Trustees, based on the
>>>>>> recommendation of the Advisory Council and noting that the Policy
>>>>>> Development Process had been followed, adopted the following number
>>>>>> resource policies:
>>>>>>
>>>> [ snip ]
>>>>
>>>>>>    2009-3 (Global Proposal): Allocation of IPv4 Blocks to Regional
>>>>>> Internet Registries
>>>> [ clip ]
>>>>
>>>>>>    2009-6 (Global Proposal): Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA)
>>>>>> Policy for Allocation of ASN Blocks (ASNs) to Regional Internet
>>>> Registries
>>>> [ clip ]
>>>>
>>>>>> The two global proposals, 2009-3 and 2009-6, await the conclusion of the
>>>>>> Global Policy Development Process.
>>>>
>>>> This is ambiguous. Could you please clarify?
>>>>
>>>> Since both of these globally submitted policies have been accepted by the
>>>> AC, ratified by the BoT and have completed the ARIN PDP cycle they _are_
>>>> both ARIN region policies regardless of the problem with at least 2009-6
>>>> being significantly contextually different than other regions versions.
>>> That
>>>> problem is not relevant so I would think that these policies are awaiting
>>>> nothing that is relevant to them per se.
>>>>
>>>> Correct?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> Martin
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>> How exactly is IANA held to ARIN's policies?  ARIN could decide that
>> IANA give all it's remaining IPv4 to ARIN, is IANA obligated to pay
>> attention to that?  Seems to me your not going to get IANA to do
>> jack until any policy that affects it completes the GDP.
>>
>> Ted
>>
> Ted,
> 
> Good question. Without a global policy, they aren¹t. If you mean to ask how
> that relationship is actually governed, you can see the documents that
> codify the relationship and the global PDP by browsing here:
> http://www.nro.net/
> 

Well, my question was more rhetorical - meaning that logically, since
these policies depend on IANA doing something, they really cannot
be policies until IANA agrees with them and follows them.  I mean, we 
can stick them in the ARIN policy manual and all that but they won't be 
followed until completion of GDP - so in essence, your statement that

" they _are_ both ARIN region policies regardless "

has no meaning.  It's kind of like when the US Congress passes a law
then does not pass the finance bill that provides money to enforce the
law - thus, even though it's on the books, it effectively does not
exist.

What I think is a much more interesting and relevant query is what
happens if either of these policies flunk out of the GDP?  Does
ARIN's board then reverse their adoption and scrap them?

Ted