[arin-ppml] RIPE/ITU

Rudolph Daniel rudi.daniel at gmail.com
Fri Feb 26 13:34:12 EST 2010

Hi McTim

Indeed that is what I would hope to be the case, and it is still the case
that my small region, is still dominated by the influence of that body which
(may) possibly have an effect on regional infrastructure policy

On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 2:22 PM, McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com> wrote:

> hello Rudolph,
> I think this is largely a solution in search of a problem.
> You can read my full thoughts on this at
> http://www.circleid.com/posts/country_internet_registries_one_african_perspective/
> --
> Cheers,
> McTim
> "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route
> indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel
> On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 7:55 PM, Rudolph Daniel <rudi.daniel at gmail.com>wrote:
>> Although I am indeed thankful to the ITU for keeping us poor and
>> under privileged developing countries well stocked in IPv6 numbers, I would
>> much prefer that ARIN consider structural modifications to allow for sub
>> regional registries under present structure: As in the case of a region like
>> the Caribbean which has such completely different demographics that the bulk
>> of the ARIN Region and therefore allow the ITU to interact not only in IPv6
>> but also in IPv4 (not mentioned in the attachment).
>> The recent HipCar project currently being undertaken in the Caribbean
>> region is another very important initiative by the ITU in garnering the
>> support of business and Governments in a region where she has always had a
>> good degree of control and support.
>> I would be interested in the views of the community because this may be a
>> complex issue and I really do not know the views of the larger community out
>> there.
>> --Forwarded Message Attachment--
>> From: ncc at ripe.net
>> To: ncc-announce at ripe.net
>> Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 17:20:18 +0100
>> Subject: [Admin] [members-discuss] [ncc-announce] RIPE NCC Position On The
>>      ITU IPv6 Group
>> Dear Colleagues,
>> As you may be aware, the International Telecommunication Union's (ITU)
>> Telecommunication Standardization Bureau (TSB) has convened an ITU
>> IPv6 Group, the first meeting of which will be held on 15-16 March
>> 2010 in Geneva, Switzerland. Information on this group is available at:
>> http://www.itu.int/ITU-T/othergroups/ipv6/
>> Among the group's Terms of Reference are the following:
>>   * To draft a global policy proposal for the reservation of a large
>> IPv6 block, taking into consideration the future needs of developing
>> countries (as outlined in paragraph 23 of ITU document C09/29).
>>   * To further study possible methodologies and related
>> implementation mechanisms to ensure 'equitable access' to IPv6
>> resource by countries.
>>   * To further study the possibility for ITU to become another
>> Internet Registry, and propose policies and procedures for ITU to
>> manage a reserved IPv6 block.
>>   * To further study the feasibility and advisability of implementing
>> the CIR [Country Internet Registry] model for those countries who
>> would request national allocations.
>> The ITU IPv6 Group is open to ITU Member States and Sector Members of
>> ITU-T and ITU-D. RIRs that are not members have also been extended an
>> invitation to participate.
>> IPv6 address policy is clearly of critical importance to the RIPE NCC
>> membership, and the unsympathetic implementation of any of the Terms
>> of Reference stated above would have serious impact on the global IP
>> address distribution environment.
>> Members of RIPE NCC staff will be participating in this meeting of the
>> ITU IPv6 Group to represent the interests of our members and community.
>> The position of the RIPE NCC is based on support for smooth and
>> reliable working of the Internet globally, and for the bottom-up, open
>> policy development process that allows for all stakeholders, including
>> business, government and the technical community, to participate.
>> Some of the issues addressed in the Terms of Reference listed above
>> are a cause for concern because they could directly affect the RIPE
>> NCC operations as a Regional Internet Registry (RIR). Therefore, the
>> RIPE NCC position on the Terms of Reference is as follows:
>> * The needs of developing economies in IP address policy are
>> important. Network operators in these economies have fair and equal
>> access to IPv6 resources from the Regional Internet Registries (RIRs),
>> and to the Policy Development Processes in their RIR and globally.
>> Each of the RIRs has been allocated an equal block of IPv6 to
>> distribute to networks in their region. (eg. AfriNIC has been
>> allocated the same sized block of IPv6 as the RIPE NCC).
>> * IPv6 allocations made by RIRs to date amount to the equivalent of
>> 500 times the size of the entire IPv4 address pool, allocated to
>> networks in over 150 economies.
>> * If a significant sector in the Internet community feels that the
>> "reservation of a large IPv6 block" for "the future needs of
>> developing countries" is warranted, the open, bottom-up Policy
>> Development Processes (PDPs) of the RIRs provide an appropriate forum
>> in which to argue that case and develop such a policy.
>> * The RIRs, as the recognised stewards of Internet Number Resources,
>> are working, individually, jointly, and with invited experts, to
>> engage the ITU membership. We have closely followed discussions in the
>> ITU to date. The RIPE NCC does not believe that there are any problems
>> that would be solved by the shift to a country-based allocation system
>> or the installation of the ITU as an Internet Registry.
>> The purpose of this email is to ensure that all RIPE NCC members are
>> informed of the RIPE NCC's participation in this ITU IPv6 Group, and
>> our position. If you have any comments or questions regarding this
>> information, please send an email to <ncc at ripe.net>.
>> Kind regards,
>> Axel Pawlik
>> Managing Director
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Rudi Daniel
e Business Consultant
“The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so
certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.” - Bertrand
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