[arin-ppml] RIPE/ITU

McTim dogwallah at gmail.com
Fri Feb 26 13:22:20 EST 2010

hello Rudolph,

I think this is largely a solution in search of a problem.

You can read my full thoughts on this at


"A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route
indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel

On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 7:55 PM, Rudolph Daniel <rudi.daniel at gmail.com>wrote:

> Although I am indeed thankful to the ITU for keeping us poor and
> under privileged developing countries well stocked in IPv6 numbers, I would
> much prefer that ARIN consider structural modifications to allow for sub
> regional registries under present structure: As in the case of a region like
> the Caribbean which has such completely different demographics that the bulk
> of the ARIN Region and therefore allow the ITU to interact not only in IPv6
> but also in IPv4 (not mentioned in the attachment).
> The recent HipCar project currently being undertaken in the Caribbean
> region is another very important initiative by the ITU in garnering the
> support of business and Governments in a region where she has always had a
> good degree of control and support.
> I would be interested in the views of the community because this may be a
> complex issue and I really do not know the views of the larger community out
> there.

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> From: ncc at ripe.net
> To: ncc-announce at ripe.net
> Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 17:20:18 +0100
> Subject: [Admin] [members-discuss] [ncc-announce] RIPE NCC Position On The
>      ITU IPv6 Group
> Dear Colleagues,
> As you may be aware, the International Telecommunication Union's (ITU)
> Telecommunication Standardization Bureau (TSB) has convened an ITU
> IPv6 Group, the first meeting of which will be held on 15-16 March
> 2010 in Geneva, Switzerland. Information on this group is available at:
> http://www.itu.int/ITU-T/othergroups/ipv6/
> Among the group's Terms of Reference are the following:
>   * To draft a global policy proposal for the reservation of a large
> IPv6 block, taking into consideration the future needs of developing
> countries (as outlined in paragraph 23 of ITU document C09/29).
>   * To further study possible methodologies and related
> implementation mechanisms to ensure 'equitable access' to IPv6
> resource by countries.
>   * To further study the possibility for ITU to become another
> Internet Registry, and propose policies and procedures for ITU to
> manage a reserved IPv6 block.
>   * To further study the feasibility and advisability of implementing
> the CIR [Country Internet Registry] model for those countries who
> would request national allocations.
> The ITU IPv6 Group is open to ITU Member States and Sector Members of
> ITU-T and ITU-D. RIRs that are not members have also been extended an
> invitation to participate.
> IPv6 address policy is clearly of critical importance to the RIPE NCC
> membership, and the unsympathetic implementation of any of the Terms
> of Reference stated above would have serious impact on the global IP
> address distribution environment.
> Members of RIPE NCC staff will be participating in this meeting of the
> ITU IPv6 Group to represent the interests of our members and community.
> The position of the RIPE NCC is based on support for smooth and
> reliable working of the Internet globally, and for the bottom-up, open
> policy development process that allows for all stakeholders, including
> business, government and the technical community, to participate.
> Some of the issues addressed in the Terms of Reference listed above
> are a cause for concern because they could directly affect the RIPE
> NCC operations as a Regional Internet Registry (RIR). Therefore, the
> RIPE NCC position on the Terms of Reference is as follows:
> * The needs of developing economies in IP address policy are
> important. Network operators in these economies have fair and equal
> access to IPv6 resources from the Regional Internet Registries (RIRs),
> and to the Policy Development Processes in their RIR and globally.
> Each of the RIRs has been allocated an equal block of IPv6 to
> distribute to networks in their region. (eg. AfriNIC has been
> allocated the same sized block of IPv6 as the RIPE NCC).
> * IPv6 allocations made by RIRs to date amount to the equivalent of
> 500 times the size of the entire IPv4 address pool, allocated to
> networks in over 150 economies.
> * If a significant sector in the Internet community feels that the
> "reservation of a large IPv6 block" for "the future needs of
> developing countries" is warranted, the open, bottom-up Policy
> Development Processes (PDPs) of the RIRs provide an appropriate forum
> in which to argue that case and develop such a policy.
> * The RIRs, as the recognised stewards of Internet Number Resources,
> are working, individually, jointly, and with invited experts, to
> engage the ITU membership. We have closely followed discussions in the
> ITU to date. The RIPE NCC does not believe that there are any problems
> that would be solved by the shift to a country-based allocation system
> or the installation of the ITU as an Internet Registry.
> The purpose of this email is to ensure that all RIPE NCC members are
> informed of the RIPE NCC's participation in this ITU IPv6 Group, and
> our position. If you have any comments or questions regarding this
> information, please send an email to <ncc at ripe.net>.
> Kind regards,
> Axel Pawlik
> Managing Director
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