[arin-ppml] RIPE/ITU

Joe Baptista baptista at publicroot.org
Sat Feb 27 10:20:08 EST 2010


On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 12:33 AM, Milton L Mueller <mueller at syr.edu> wrote:

> Stop fretting, John. I am not part of a vast ITU conspiracy.


Thats true. But you are a hired gun. I've had experience with that.

In any case my two cents in all this is - now that countries have discovered
the value of IPv? the MLM (multi-level marketing) monopoly at
ARIN/IANA/APNIC/RIPE/etc might come to a close.

This is a fight I consider entertaining enough to watch. The ITU is a fools
paradise of myopic bureaucracy. They were offered the opportunity of getting
involved in the Internet back in the 80's and they turned it down. I'm not
confident they know what they are doing. But at least the MLM monopoly would
be broken.

regards
joe baptista




> We have two docs on the table: one is the study proposal for CIRs prepared
> by prof. Ramadass, the other is the Terms of Reference McKay cites which
> clearly indicates that this is the direction some in Geneva would like to
> go. Ok, if you want to be picky we cannot say there is an "ITU proposal"
> yet, but its pretty clear what direction certain people there would like to
> move. I am suggesting that we engage in that discussion seriously.
>
> My study said that the ITU "could play a constructive role" by helping to
> work out a legal framework for TABLs.Aside from the fact that that does not
> seem to be the direction they want to move in, is it your implication that
> ITU has _no_ constructive role to play in this space?
>
> --MM
>
> _______________________________________
> From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net [arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of
> John Curran [jcurran at arin.net]
> Milton refers to "the ITU proposal for CIRs", whereas the terms of
> reference to the ITU IPV6 working group meeting (of which I am an
> invited expert) call for *drafting* such a proposal.  Since Milton
> references "the ITU proposal" as if it was already specified, and
> his paper is indeed a listed working group meeting document, perhaps
> he's aware of an actual ITU CIR proposal which will be forthcoming
> to the rest of us soon?
>
> Of course, the differences in approach between the ITU and the RIR
> community should be very apparent just from this ITU IPv6 meeting
> announcement.  The idea that a closed (ITU members + invited guests
> who are to "represent" the Regional Internet Registries) working
> group could "draft a global policy proposal" which would then be
> seen as sufficiently complete to allow assessment of the various
> implementation details almost presumes that one has already given
> up on any form of community-based policy; note specifically that
> ARIN's Policy Development Process states: "Policy proposals may
> be submitted by anyone in the global Internet community except
> for members of the ARIN Board of Trustees or the ARIN staff"
> exactly to prevent assumptions such as this from occurring...
>
> While invited and going to Geneva for the working group meeting,
> my most important contribution regarding that initial item in
> the terms of reference is to invite the participants of the ITU
> IPv6 working group to ARIN's Public Policy Meetings and this
> mailing list so that any actual CIR proposal is made before this
> community, discussed publicly on its merits, and otherwise follows
> ARIN's Policy Development Process as required.
>
> /John
>
> John Curran
> President and CEO
> ARIN
>
>
>
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