[arin-ppml] IPv6 Non-connected networks

Scott Leibrand scottleibrand at gmail.com
Fri Feb 5 02:20:28 EST 2010


On 2/4/2010 10:02 PM, cja at daydream.com wrote:
> Bill,
>
> You are ARIN... everyone on this list is ARIN so if you want to see as 
> you put it
>
> "My point was that I'd really like to see us stop suffering failures of
> imagination in the name of careful reason. ARIN has to be the
> moderating force on the routing table only because we've failed to
> imagine a individually driven process that renders the role
> unnecessary."
>
> Then submit policy proposals to help make that happen.  The community 
> makes the policies so if you want them to be different then submit 
> what you want and help it gain support.

I think Bill did exactly that with proposal #103.  #106 doesn't move us 
quite as far, but is moving in the same direction, I think.

Once again, thanks, Bill, for being such a valuable contributor to the 
public policy process.

-Scott

>
> Thanks
> ----Cathy
>
> On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 10:22 PM, William Herrin <bill at herrin.us 
> <mailto:bill at herrin.us>> wrote:
>
>     On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 11:57 PM, George Bonser <gbonser at seven.com
>     <mailto:gbonser at seven.com>> wrote:
>     >> Now, the other tier-1's don't like that one bit. Not one bit at
>     all.
>     >> Dude's stealing their bread! So, they start a joint venture to
>     do the
>     >> same thing, camp it at the major peering points (like MAE-East) and
>     >> refuse to honor the /8 route if its announced from anybody
>     else. Sorry
>     >> dude! You want service in the small assignments, you pay the joint
>     >> venture too.
>     >
>     > Or, someone starts accepting the more specific routes without
>     using the
>     > tunnels and their customers don't need to pay no steeenking tunnel
>     > broker which disrupts the entire scheme, another network does
>     it, too,
>     > in order to compete with them and that entire tunnel jv blows up and
>     > everyone ends up accepting the more specifics.
>
>     Hi George,
>
>     Likely couldn't travel that path; each new provider that accepts the
>     more specifics into his routing table only increases the percentage
>     penetration. Catch ditch the tunnel JV until you have nearly 100%
>     penetration and the cost of carrying all the routes in every router
>     versus a fraction of just the small routes in each of the JV's routers
>     is high enough to cost more than the small users are willing to pay.
>
>     You could, however, implement a dynamic tunnel map-encap protocol like
>     they've been discussing over in the RRG for the last couple of years
>     and let the ASes start to deploy ingress tunnel routers to catch
>     otherwise-unrouted packets for the /8 near their source and send them
>     encapsulated to their current destinations. Many outcomes are
>     possible; I'm not really looking to explore the whole field.
>
>     My point was that I'd really like to see us stop suffering failures of
>     imagination in the name of careful reason. ARIN has to be the
>     moderating force on the routing table only because we've failed to
>     imagine a individually driven process that renders the role
>     unnecessary.
>
>     Regards,
>     Bill Herrin
>
>
>
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