[arin-ppml] Draft Policy 2010-3: Customer Confidentiality
kkargel at polartel.com
Tue Feb 2 19:13:18 EST 2010
> > I do not think that ARIN is in the business of defending the secrecy of
> >customer lists. Keeping your customers should be a matter of competitive
> >pricing and quality of service, not sequestering your customers in a
> >or keeping them in a walled garden. Free enterprise is part and parcel
> >doing business on the internet.
> ARIN should not be in the business of telling every ISP how to run the
> operations of their business. Each has their own strategies and it's none
> any of our business what they are. Free enterprise means that everyone may
> enter the marketplace and attempt to gather customers to them. Existing
> can use any lawful means to keep existing customers. You or I may not like
> some of those practices but free means free.
Umm, I think ARIN is precisely in the business of managing and shepherding IP addresses. If you don't want to follow the rules for that then you are just going to have to find a way to run your ISP without IP addresses.
> There needs to be some overriding issue that outweighs all normal
> before a group like ARIN should impact the internal operations of the
> The scarcity of IPV4 was and is such a issue. That justifies ARIN
> ISP's to
> disclose enough information to determine that each is utilizing the scarce
> in a responsible manner. That does not in my opinion justify requiring
> making that
> information public.As an ISP I am exposed to the public and must be
> that goes with the teritory, but if I assign ip addresses for lawful use
> law enforcement agency, or a battered women's home, or runaway children's
> (the list goes on and on) each has valid reasons why they don't want even
> names associated with the IP's they are using. Even an ongoing DOS attack
> (which is highly unlikely) does not justify the risks associated with the
> people figuring out where that IP is at.
In associations that I have had with covert law enforcement and with organizations like abuse shelters (women's or otherwise) they have always had DBA names for registration of things like phone numbers, mailing addresses, email, etc.. I don't see why this would be any different..
> 99.9% of the time it's no big deal but any policy that cannot easily deal
> with the 0.1% exception is bad policy and should not exist. That
> is my opinion of the current policy.
Can you point me to a single policy in any organization that deals completely with 100% of any possible situation and does it fairly and optimally?
> This proposal, while not going far enough, is at least a step in the right
> > Hiding community members from contact by prospective service offerings
> >not included anywhere in the ARIN mission statement that I could see.
> I don't seem to remember congress acting on the ARIN mission statement.
> a private mission statement and not law. It should not be tortured into
> having an opinion on each proposed policy.
I don't see where anyone referred to any of this as a law. Do I understand you correctly as saying that ARIN should not have an opinion on each proposed policy?
ARIN covers more territory than the USA.. Or are you saying that Canada and the Caribbean fall under US law?
> The longer I am on this list the more I am beginning to feel that ARIN
> is a growing bureaucracy that will become the enemy of ISP's and the
> internet community as a whole.
> Sometimes I think I'm watching an episode of "pinky and the brain" via
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