[arin-ppml] Is Emergency action warranted for Policy Proposal 123: Reserved Pool for Critical Infrastructure?
ebw at abenaki.wabanaki.net
Wed Dec 22 15:03:12 EST 2010
On 12/22/10 2:31 PM, Leo Bicknell wrote:
> It look me a while to parse all of this, because much of the original
> mail looked like greek to me. I'm afraid that may be the case for
> many others on the list. Let me try and connect some dots at a
> really high level.
> ICANN continues to look at new gTLD's in a process way to detailed
> to get into in this forum. Point is, think .bank, .Coke, or .XXX,
> or any other new non-country code TLD.
> A subgroup, the "JAS Working Group" is looking at part of the problem,
> it's charter is at
> If I am parsing it correctly the idea is to identify people who
> ICANN thinks should have a gTLD, but who may not be able to "make
> a gTLD happen" all on their own. This is a wide ranging task,
> inlcuding things like folks who should have a gTLD but can't afford
> the fees (and thus, fee wavers) to folks who don't really have the
> technical expertise to run a gTLD, and may need help from ICANN to
> make it happen in a technically correct way.
I'd nuance that last bit. The skill set for DNSSEC are still fairly
closely held, and some people haven't seen more of v6 than ::1 in
their part of the globe. For reasons that I personally don't endorse,
the SLA levels for start-ups in 2010 would preclude most of the 2005
and all but two of the 2001 start-ups in the gTLD registry business.
> The most recent milestone report outlining all of this is here:
> I think page 15 is where things get relevant to this list, everything
> I've written above and before that in the report is simply background
> for this partciular issue. The working group said there is full
> concensus that
> "The following kinds of technical support are identified for those
> applicants that meet the criteria established for support:
> Infrastructure for providing support for IPv6 compatible solutions,
> e.g. hardware and networks as needed;"
> Now, back to the original comment...
Thanks for reading the report Leo!
> In a message written on Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 07:55:36PM -0500, Eric Brunner-Williams wrote:
>> My concern is that new registry proposants who meet the criteria for
>> assistance under the current JAS WG Milestone , or future work
>> product of the JAS WG, are, under the current ICANN Draft Applicant
>> Guidebook, required to be v6 capable. This is a cost that can be
>> deferred, if 123 becomes ARIN policy, at least for the ARIN region,
>> and if imitated by the other RIR's, more broadly.
> This is where I get lost. Policy proposal 123, as written, would
> allow folks deploying gTLD's to get IPv4 number resources from a
> reserved pool. It in fact says nothing about IPv6 resources, they
> are available today and will continue to be available in the future
> on the exact same terms.
I would like to ensure that new registry applicants have access to v4
resources, and that they are not forced to "transition" to v6, or
simply start v6-only, for v4 scarcity and cost reasons. If 123 exists,
then it is reasonable to point to this as a means to reduce the
impulse to require new registry operators to have v6 skills and
plumbing in place ab initio.
> If the ICANN and/or the JAS WG has a requirement for IPv6 services than
> Proposal 123 is totally unrelated as it deals with IPv4 resources.
> If the concern is that some new gTLD's will try and use the resources
> available under Proposal 123 to deploy IPv4 _only_ support for
> gTLD's that is an administrative matter for ICANN and the JAS WG.
> Indeed, even without this pool gTLD's could obtain IPv4 resources
> from their upstream, via hosting companies, or even via the transfer
> market. This Proposal 123 may make it a bit easier for them, but
> in no way is IPv4 impossible without it.
123 may make it a bit easier for them, and it offers terms at least as
good as the transfer market or being forced to be tenants of their
> More to the point. If a new gTLD operator comes online during the
> transition I think it is in the best interest of the gTLD operator,
> ICANN, ARIN, and the Internet at large that they have an IPv4 presense.
> One cannot consider deploying an IPv6 only gTLD until a substantial
> number of users have IPv6 services otherwise it would be crippled.
> Which leaves me utterly confused by the original comments. I can't
> see how this hurts ICANN, the gTLD process, or the JAS WG in any
> way, in fact it appears to me this proposal should make it easier
> and operationally better to roll out new gTLD's.
Agree. Hence my expression, however greek, of support for it.
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