[arin-ppml] IPv6 /32 minimum for extra-small ISP

Owen DeLong owen at delong.com
Tue Apr 27 02:51:06 EDT 2010

On Apr 26, 2010, at 6:24 PM, Steve Bertrand wrote:

> On 2010.04.26 20:19, Matthew Kaufman wrote:
>> Owen DeLong wrote:
>>> OK... Here's the actual information...
>>> If you are currently an IPv4 x-small ISP subscriber, you are already
>>> paying $1,250/year.
>>> As such, your incremental cost when you obtain a /32 for IPv6 would be
>>> an additional $1,000/year.
>>> If you are a brand new IPv6-only ISP, your annual cost would be
>>> $2,250/year.
>>> So, the $2,250 number is sort of correct, but, ignores that you are
>>> already paying
>>> most of that.  I think the $1,250 figure is a math error vs. $2,250 -
>>> $1,250 = $1,000.
>>> Hope that clears things up.
>>> Owen
>> And if I'm currently an IPv4 x-small ISP using legacy pre-ARIN IPv4
>> space, it is also $2250/year more than I pay now. Plus maybe having to
>> sign the legacy RSA, if I'm not careful to keep my IPv4 and IPv6
>> entities sufficiently separate.
> At the ARIN meeting, I spoke to a few people who have signed the LRSA,
> so I'd like to focus on that side of your comment (Matthew, I'm not
> being judgmental on what you have said, nor do I have an opinion on it).
> Just for informative purposes, would someone who has signed the LRSA
> speak up with any regrets they may have had by signing the agreement?
I signed the LRSA.

I have no regrets.

Admittedly, I expected to be paying $100/year for my IPv6 resources anyway,
so, it didn't make any difference cost-wise and there weren't really any other
reasons in my opinion to avoid the LRSA.

The LRSA locks in most of my rights and assures me in writing that ARIN will
honor them, whereas without such, it's unclear ARIN had any obligation whatsoever
to respect my use of my legacy addresses or preserve any records of their
registration whatsoever.

> otoh, I'd be interested to learn of benefits you have gained by not
> having to "keep" ... "IPv4 and IPv6 entities sufficiently separate"?
I'm just running native dual-stack on all of my capable devices while a few
more limited devices (TiVOs, Yamaha Amp, and some HP Printers)
remain IPv4-only for the time being.

In terms of ARIN, I get one invoice per year, I pay it, and all is well.

It's really quite simple.


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