[arin-ppml] IPv6 /32 minimum for extra-small ISP

Ted Mittelstaedt tedm at ipinc.net
Mon Apr 26 18:12:01 EDT 2010

On 4/26/2010 2:41 PM, Christopher Morrow wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 3:58 PM, Kevin Kargel<kkargel at polartel.com>  wrote:
>> And how does that make $1200 trivial?
>> Are you saying that anything having to do with a new employee is trivial?
>> Are you suggesting that all companies are buying computers for employees on a whim?  You must work in a different world than I do.  Employees here certainly don't get a new computer every year.
>> Most people I know need a little mor justification to get a new computer than "I want one."
> no, but certainly a new employee at an IP Transit company needs some
> form of compute resources to do their job. it's likely the case that
> more than 1 new employee is hired each year. my point here is that if
> you can afford new compute resources for a new employee it seems that
> 1200$ to keep the business going is within reach.

Just to interject a bit here,

You need a certain number of employees to start an ISP  (assuming
your starting small)  Let's say, 3 full time.  Your going to
need that number whether you have 1 customer or an IPv4 /24's
worth of customers or a /21's worth of customers, and your
going to need to spend that $3600 on their PC gear.

As it grows from a starting point of 1 customer you can manage the 
customer load with that number of employees until it reaches a critical 
level, then you hire another employee.

I would submit that the "knee" point that the small ISP is
forced to hire another warm body is above the level that this
ISP needs an IPv4 /20 where in which case it's fee will be $2250
for both IPv4 and IPv6 resources.

Thus I feel this analogy and discussion is pointless.  The
extra-small ISP's which are considered extra-small for IPv4
purposes, are not large companies.  They have to spend the
$3600 for employee hardware to even open their doors - this is a
mandatory cost whether they have IPv4 only, or IPv6 only or
both.  An extra $1200 to do both IPv4 and IPv6 is really
significant to them.  They are in the region that they can only
dream about adding another employee than what they have to
have as minimum to keep their doors open.


> -chris
>> Kevin
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Christopher Morrow [mailto:christopher.morrow at gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 2:00 PM
>>> To: Kevin Kargel
>>> Cc: Gary T. Giesen; Ted Mittelstaedt; arin-ppml at arin.net
>>> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] IPv6 /32 minimum for extra-small ISP
>>> On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 1:49 PM, Kevin Kargel<kkargel at polartel.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> $1200 may be insignificant or trivial in your world.
>>>> In the world of a small independent telco offering IP to it's customers
>>> a $1200 recurring expense is neither insignificant nor trivial.
>>> just so we understand new ops employees then buy their own compute
>>> resources to do their job? (1200$ is about a desktop/laptop price
>>> including support and monitor and such)
>>> -chris
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