[arin-ppml] ULA-C

Michael Richardson mcr at sandelman.ca
Mon Apr 12 21:00:04 EDT 2010

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>>>>> "David" == David Farmer <farmer at umn.edu> writes:
    David> Therefore, I believe the concerns about ULA-C becoming a path
    David> for policy abuse cannot be completely discounted.  However,
    David> in reality the risk is no where near as large as some are
    David> claiming.  Further, I believe this risk can be easily managed
    David> via the RIRs' number resource policy processes, if the RIRs
    David> were to be given full policy control of ULA-C registrations.

    mcr> I agree --- there could be abuse.
    mcr> Rather than overconstrain ourselves in advance, is there
    mcr> nothing we can do on a complaint basis?

    David> Where do those complaints go? How do we resolve disputes? For
    David> PA and PI essentially that is dealt within the policy
    David> development processes for the RIRs. That is how we hash
    David> things out as a community, it seems logical to use the same
    David> processes for ULA-C. 

Let's say that I start announcing from my ASN.
What would you do?  Who would you complain to?

(yes, RPKI is a tool to prevent that, as is the RPDB, assume it happens)

But, assuming it gets through, how is that different than announcing
IANA's FC00::/7 on the public Internet?

What I'm asking is: why do we have to think through all possible actions
in advance, and write intricate policies... why do we have no mechanisms
to permit judgement?  There is a pathology where organizations try to
write policies for everything, as opposed to routine things+clear
exceptions, only I don't know what the word is.

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