[arin-ppml] v4 to v6 obstacles

[Earl Baugh]

Joe Maimon wrote:
>>Lee Dilkie wrote:
>>
>> One good way for organizations like ARIN to help with dual stack is to
>> simply give out v6 addresses, free, to all current v4 address holders
>>
>Which they do for the most part. To date the only significant complaints
>I have seen have been regarding those who arent IPv4 holders or with the
>single prefix policy.

As a "small" legacy IPv4 holder, I can attest that one of the main reasons I
haven't rolled out IPv6
is mostly because I wasn't offered an IPv6 equivalent  to the IPv4 I hold.

I know of other similar small legacy IPv4 holders who are in the exact came
boat.

I did see where I could pay $$  to register and then continuously pay $$ for
it each year...
But  I'll be fairly honest, what would be in it for me?   Yes, it's a
self-centered attitude, I acknowledge that, however
businesses and organizations on the whole need some reason, aside from the
"we'd all like you to",
or "this is the latest technology, trust me you HAVE to have it".    For a
lot of businesses  and organizations
neither of those reasons will get them to change.  If what I have meets my
needs,  and there aren't any IPv6 features
or services that I "have-to-have" along with the additional cost to even get
started, what's the motivation?
(even IF it is free, I still have to incur additional time and labor to
manage the dual stacks, but I'd be at least
willing and able to at least "start" moving if I had one in hand....)

For example, at least to some degree, Windows XP to Windows Vista adoption
numbers support this type of thought process.
What's going to "force" people to move from XP is Microsoft stopping support
for it, (that's what happened with Win98) and/or there being
some device or application that breaks the old, or requires the newer OS
(USB devices for Windows 98 to Windows XP for example).

However, in the IPv4 case, you're not going to get "support dropped" for it,
and to date there isn't any IPv6 "killer-app" / device.
People continue to cleverly and creatively develop apps for and get more and
more mileage out of IPv4...
( personally I feel that NAT came out of this
"clever-creative-stretch-the-spec" thought process. )

So I agree with Lee that without a "carrot" of  "You have an IPv4
allocation, here's your equivalent IPv6 allocation, no questions asked",
you're going to have to either wait for no address availability or some IPv6
"killer-app" to see folks start to move in any significant number.
And given how clever folks are, I'm not sure how much of a forcing function
0 IPv4 addresses is going to be yet...

No vendor is going to "drop" IPv4 support... not if they want to stay in
business.
Every piece of equipment I have supports a IPv6 and IPv4 stack...and has for
years, so it's not because I couldn't do it...


Earl Baugh
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