[arin-ppml] ARIN-PPML Digest, Vol 53, Issue 43

Mon Nov 30 09:29:41 EST 2009

Christopher

That's a strong statement about RIPE, surely you would have guidance from
their maillist?
RD

Well, I said that already. Two reasons: we are an American school and we
> decline to work with a Nazi organization like RIPE.
>
> We can't even get an IP from our ISP, because they always just say
> something
> like, "That's not part of our contract and this and that policy don't
> require us to give you one. And in Germany this is not the usual way, but
> what we do is spying your personal information and sell them to other
> companies or to the government if they think you void the censorship act."
>
>
>
> God bless America! We are so thankful here at GQHS that there is some place
> on the world with democracy and liberty besides all these dumb Germans
> around us.
>
>
>
> We are just right now about to define our request better with all your help
> before we are going to present it to ARIN.
>
>
>
> Thank you.
>
>
>
> Sincerely yours,
>
> Christopher
>
>
>
> From: Aaron [mailto:dudepron at gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 4:36 AM
> To: Christopher Mettin
> Cc: arin-ppml at arin.net
> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] IP Address Fee Structure Policy and the Right of
> Education
>
>
>
> Christopher,
>
> I may have missed this but I'm not sure why are you are coming to ARIN as
> GQHS is not located in an ARIN region but in RIPEs.
>
> Aaron
>
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 09:42, Christopher Mettin <cmettin at gqbc-online.com
> >
> wrote:
>
> ARIN Community,
>
> Why doesn't ARIN allocate GQHS a bunch of /20 addresses for the purpose of
> a
> quasi-ISP service and we assign /24 addresses to verified educational
> institutions for a much smaller fee?
>
> That would be a possible solution. It doesn't cause ARIN any costs and all
> fees would be directly and entirely submitted to ARIN. Also, In the end
> ARIN
> could maybe receive more from fees of several smaller sub allocations than
> from one larger allocation.
>
> Another preference is that there would be no address space fragmentation on
> the RIR level, GQHS would figure as a LIR except for the fact that ARIN
> fees
> would be sub delegated to charged by GQHS.
>
> I am looking forward to receive comments on this idea.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Sincerely yours,
> Christopher Mettin
> Gymnaium Querfurt High School
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bmanning at vacation.karoshi.com [mailto:bmanning at vacation.karoshi.com]
> Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 2:10 PM
> To: Christopher Mettin
> Cc: arin-ppml at arin.net; 'Per Heldal'
> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] IP Address Fee Structure Policy and the Right of
> Education
>
>
> ARIN manages the IP space for its region based on the consent of its
> members and the governments in that region.
>
> ARINs finances are a matter of public record - you can find them on the
> ARIN web site.
>
> As for your proposal to replace ARIN with GQHS, I for one, would like to
> see the dialog between you/GQHS and the IANA as a matter of public record.
>
> If you would like to change the ARIN proceedures for address allocation and
> stewardship - the process is open and available to all.  You just have to
> convince others to agree with you on your well thought out, viable
> alternative.
>
> Please ensure that you either cover all the things ARIN does or find other
> parties to take on those roles.
>
>
> Luck
>
>
> --bill
>
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 01:53:26PM +0100, Christopher Mettin wrote:
> > ARIN Community,
> >
> > Why does ARIN manage the IP addresses allocated to North America? Did
> they
> > win a competition in cost-effeteness and reliability?
> >
> > And does ARIN show a proof that the fees cover at least 90% of their
> > operating costs?
> >
> > If IANA would replace ARIN with GQHS today, I could offer everyone a /20
> > block for just $10 annually and no cent more. GQHS will also have less
> > operation costs and that will save our environment a lot.
> >
> > I will propose this idea to IANA soon. Maybe "Virginian non-profit"
> actually
> > means they just don't have any stocks but I bet they make a million
> revenue
> > each year. At all, they are not the right organization to manage IP
> > addresses it seems.
> >
> > Has anyone a problem with IP addresses given away for as cheap as a .com
> > domain?
> >
> > Sincerely yours,
> > Christopher
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Per Heldal [mailto:heldal at eml.cc]
> > Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 6:05 AM
> > To: Christopher Mettin
> > Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] IP Address Fee Structure Policy and the Right of
> > Education
> >
> > On 11/29/2009 02:16 AM, Christopher Mettin wrote:
> > > The fact that one can't access the Internet without an IP address and
> that
> > > ARIN sells them.
> >
> > RIR's don't sell IP-addresses. Addresses are assigned for a documented
> > purpose. The RIRs are not-for-profit organisations. The fee is not for
> > the IP-addresses themselves, but rather to cover the administrative
> > costs of running the RIR-operations organization.
> >
> > >> My suggestion would be that you hit up your respective ISPs to give
> you
> > >> static addresses at no extra charge for the good will and possible tax
> > >> benefits.  Even if they're only willing to give you /29s, you can
> > >> harmonize your RFC1918 address space use and use VPNs that properly
> > >> reflect your security policies.
> > >
> > > Yep, VPS, you cannot set them up so easily if you don't have a commonly
> > > known (static) IP address of the end-point. Where should we send the
> VPS
> > > connection request if our IP always changes? Maybe try out every host
> on
> > the
> > > entire ISP subnet?
> > >
> > > Our Internet connection is paid by the state. And under the current
> > contract
> > > we actually even not allowed to publish a simple website from our
> network.
> > > So why should they give us a static IP to make it easier for us to do
> so?
> > >
> >
> > You can not blame the internet-community for your organisation's failure
> > to negotiate a contract that meets your needs. I doubt you'll find a
> > serious SP anywhere that doesn't offer contracts that include static
> > addressing. So far there's been no mention of a need for multi-homing
> > which normally is the key requirement to justify direct assignments.
> > What difference does the fee make if you don't qualify for an allocation
> > in the first place.
> >
> >
> > > So the reason why ARIN should change its policies is that we want ARIN
> to
> > > allocate us some IP addresses which are the only way for us to solve
> our
> > > little problem.
> >
> > You should resolve this with the people who are responsible for a
> > service-contract that doesn't meet your functional requirements.
> >
> >
> > //per
> >
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