[arin-ppml] Policy Proposal: Open Access To IPv6

Garry Dolley gdolley at arpnetworks.com
Sat May 30 20:00:38 EDT 2009

On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 09:28:19PM +0000, bmanning at vacation.karoshi.com wrote:
> On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 02:04:22PM -0700, Garry Dolley wrote:
> > On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 04:15:02PM -0400, Leo Bicknell wrote:
> > > To that end, I can't support the proposal as written.  As one
> > > commenter asked, "what if my kids want an IPv6 network to play with
> > > in their garage?"  Well, we should find some way to accomodate that
> > > which doesn't require service providers worldwide to spend tens of
> > > thousands of dollars upgrading routers to hold the routes.
> > 
> > Exactly.  There's really no reason I should bear the cost of
> > carrying your route because your kids want to learn about IPv6.  I
> > wholeheartedly want to support learning about IPv6, esp. for the next
> > generation of network operators, but doing so in a way that taxes
> > third party network hardware, for no reason, is not the way to do it.
> > 
> > -- 
> > Garry Dolley
> 	i'm sorry - this smacks of shear laziness.
> 	trying to get ARIN to manage your routing table
> 	is kind of like asking your mom to still do your
> 	laundry.

Researching every /32 to see if it is worthy of being in your
routing table is not practical.  It is not a laziness issue.

> 	no one is -forcing- you to accept any route whatsoever.
> 	your router, your choice.

Yes, but practically speaking, I can accept all /32's or none of
them, with a little wiggle room with filters.  

I can set up filters, sure, but anyone running a multi-homed network
with real customers, peers, and traffic knows that maintaining
filters that actually work well is almost a lesson in futility.  

> 	do the thought experiment... how many /32s are there in
> 	the IPv6 universe?  Got a router for that?  Didn't think so.
> 	Folk are going to have to face the fact that they can't
> 	depend on their benevolent RIR to manage the potential size
> 	of the routing table anymore...  

But what we can do is try to promote policy that doesn't give out
prefixes like they are going out of style.  Every /32 prefix
assigned and announced takes up one more RIB slot for me and every
other ISP on the planet.  So, I'm going to do what I can to save
that resource.

Garry Dolley
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