[arin-ppml] Draft Policy 2009-1: Transfer Policy - Revised andforwarded to the Board

William Herrin bill at herrin.us
Thu May 7 00:41:32 EDT 2009

On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 12:27 AM, Martin Hannigan
<martin.hannigan at batelnet.bs> wrote:
> On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 7:58 PM, William Herrin <bill at herrin.us> wrote:
>> On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Leo Bicknell <bicknell at ufp.org> wrote:
>>> In a message written on Wed, May 06, 2009 at 02:14:29PM -0400, William Herrin wrote:
>>>> Verizon is hoarding addresses. They requested and acquired millions of
>> While you're right that I don't have internal company knowledge, I do
>> have one of the vendor's phones using one of the hoarded IP addresses
>> and I've done enough testing with it to confirm that its only capable
>> of initiating connections outbound to the Internet, the key criteria
>> for a NAT-compatible device. Inbound connections are blocked, not by
>> the device but by the vendor's upstream firewall.
>> A big part of my point was that many of the obvious and egregious
>> cases of hoarding are specifically *not* instances of fraud. My
>> favorite vendor is hoarding, apparently in meticulous compliance with
>> all applicable policies.
> Trying to tell us that technology limitations = hoarding is not helpful.


NAT = conserves IP addresses.
Meets criteria for NAT-compatible device = could be built with NAT
Not built with NAT + millions of devices = consumes millions of IP addresses
Not built with NAT + could be + consumes millions = hoarding

If you got "technology limitations = hoarding" from that, you ain't
readin' it right.

Bill Herrin

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