[arin-ppml] Effect of ARIN's Letters

Ted Mittelstaedt tedm at ipinc.net
Fri May 1 13:01:50 EDT 2009

The problem is what do your customers want?
As a smaller ISP we can't set policy on the Internet.  We aren't bringing
customers onboard at the
rate of hundreds a day where we can afford to scrape the 2-3 annoying and
demanding ones off our
shoes.  We are concerned about losing even a single customer - it won't
break us, but we aren't
complacent about it either.
As long as there's customers on the Internet that can demand and get
routable IPv4 addresses from
our competitors, we will have to offer IPv4.  We don't have the luxury of a
Verizon or a Qwest to be
able to look that customer in the eye and say "NO, and nobody else is going
to give you one either"
and have the customer curse and swear at us but, due to cut-rate pricing or
contracts, other bundling and
marketing stuff that allows us to lock in that customer, be able to force
our will on them.
And before you start saying that these large ISPs can't force customers to
do anything, I see it
happening all the time.  All they have to do is cut their monthly rate below
ours - and it doesn't
take much - and there's a lot of customers out there who will do whatever
they tell them to.  We have
even lost customers to the big guys who ended up paying MORE to the big guys
- but went to them
solely because they got a unified telephone/internet bill from a single
provider, and they had some
accountant 2000 miles away paying the bill who wanted it that way.
SO, we will be more than happy to 'reclaim and share those crumbs".  It will
keep us alive for
a long enough time for the big guys to start playing hardball with their
customers and forcing
them to IPv6.  Once the big guys start telling their customers NO (or more
likely that it will
cost them plenty) to get IPv4, then we will be able to raise prices or do
whatever it takes to make
our customers go to IPv6 as well.


From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net] On
Behalf Of Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond
Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 12:38 AM
To: ppml at arin.net
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Effect of ARIN's Letters

The good news is that we're discussing this on the ARIN list, rather than
debating policies about IPv4 reclaiming which I personally equate to
reclaiming and sharing of crumbs. Nobody's ever survived on crumbs that

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