[arin-ppml] Policy Proposal: Open Access To IPv6

[Garry Dolley]

On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 10:59:27PM +0000, bmanning at vacation.karoshi.com wrote:
> On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 02:42:44PM -0700, Garry Dolley wrote:
> > 
> > On May 30, 2009, at 2:30 PM, bmanning at vacation.karoshi.com wrote:
> > 
> > >On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 02:22:53PM -0700, Garry Dolley wrote:
> > >>On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 07:50:50PM +0000, bmanning at vacation.karoshi.com 
> > >> wrote:
> > >>>On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 12:06:23PM -0700, Garry Dolley wrote:
> > >>>>On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 10:49:02AM -0700, Stacy Hughes wrote:
> > >>>>>A multihoming requirement discriminates against networks that  
> > >>>>>either cannot
> > >>>>>or do not want to multihome.I oppose this modification.
> > >>>>>Stacy
> > >>>>
> > >>>>If you aren't multi-homed, you should get an allocation from your
> > >>>>upstream, IMO.  The block provided by the upstream will be
> > >>>>aggregated, most likely, to *their* upstream / peers, so an extra
> > >>>>routing table slot would not be needed, thereby saving resources.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>-- 
> > >>>>Garry Dolley
> > >>>>ARP Networks, Inc. | http://www.arpnetworks.com | (818) 206-0181
> > >>>
> > >>>   what upstream is that?  once again, the limiting notion that
> > >>>   there connectedness to "someone else" is a prerequiste for  
> > >>>using IP.
> > >>>   uniqueness i can understand (someday you might want to be  
> > >>>connected,
> > >>>   but now...)
> > >>
> > >>If uniqueness, and not connectivity, is the concern, look into ULAs
> > >>[1].
> > >>
> > >>You can use them now, without ever contacting ARIN, or any IRR.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>1. RFC 4193, "Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Addresses"
> > >>  http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4193
> > >>
> > >>-- 
> > >>Garry Dolley
> > >
> > >   sorry - ULA does not assure uniqueness. only that
> > >   statistical probability.
> > 
> > Correct, but given the use cases mentioned, statistically probable  
> > uniqueness is sufficient.
> > 
> > -- 
> > Garry 
> 
> 	Not for me.  

Care to elaborate?

I'm willing to accept any valid reason as to why a ULA will not work
for someone developing in a lab environment, or does not need
routeability, or an upstream.

But from what I've read so far, no one has provided one.

-- 
Garry Dolley
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