[arin-ppml] Will the price per IP really be affected by thetransfer market introduced in 2009-1?

[Martin Hannigan]

On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 11:09 AM, Kevin Kargel <kkargel at polartel.com> wrote:
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net] On
>> Behalf Of Martin Hannigan
>> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 7:34 AM
>> To: ARIN PPML
>> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Will the price per IP really be affected by
>> thetransfer market introduced in 2009-1?
>>
>> On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 5:44 PM, Ted Mittelstaedt <tedm at ipinc.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > Ah, but your point is dependent on how an ISP views it's market.
>> >
>>
>> [ snip ]
>>
>> > If transfer pricing does not rise high enough to make it worthwhile
>> > for orgs to spend the money to renumber out of it, then the
>> > orgs won't, and the transfer market will never come into
>> > existence.
>>
>> The transfer market already exists.
>
> The sanctioned transfer market does not exist.  How many IP's did you buy in
> a "transfer market" this year?  How many eBay auctions for netblocks have
> you seen?


We didn't all choose the blue pill, Kevin.


>> > Thus, let me put my original question a bit differently.  How much
>> > of an increase for IPv4 can YOU absorb?  How much do you think
>> > your competitors can absorb?  How much do you think the industry
>> > can absorb?  If it's not a large amount, then how exactly will
>> > a transfer market in IPv4 reach critical mass to enable it to
>> > get started?
>>
>>
>> You wouldn't  "absorb" anything. If you spent(cost) $10K per month
>> leasing IPv4 address space and that could be correlated to a return on
>> the expense (growth, revenue), where is the problem?
>
> Of course you won't "absorb" anything..  the cost will be passed to the end
> user.  That doesn't make it right.


You should explain how that works to Ted.

Best,

Martin