[arin-ppml] Policy Proposal: Extend 16 bit ASN Assignments

Fri May 8 13:37:43 EDT 2009

Hi Aaron,

What changes would you propose to the policy? Or do you just see it as
totally unnecessary? Thanks.

On 5/7/09 4:51 PM, "Aaron Hughes" <aaronh at bind.com> wrote:

> 
> 
> I oppose this policy as written.
> 
> Looking at ARIN's historical statistics, it appears as though ARIN issues
> 1,600 to 1,700 ASNs each year.
> 
> Looking at IANA's stats:
> 35840-36863 Assigned by ARIN 2005-02
> 39936-40959 Assigned by ARIN 2006-03-29
> 46080-47103 Assigned by ARIN 2008-03-27
> 53248-54271 Assigned by ARIN 2009-04-21
> 54272-55295 Assigned by ARIN 2009-04-21
> Excluding April 2009, ARIN has only requested 3,072 ASNs since February 2005.
> 
> Looking again at ARIN's historical statistics, they have issued 6,550 ASNs
> from 2005 through 2008, but have only gotten 3,072 ASNs from the IANA.
> 
> Where's the difference?
> In San Antonio, Leslie gave a presentation that included information about
> returned and revoked ASNs. Slide 10 of the presentation indicates 4,357 ASNs
> have been returned to ARIN since January 2005.
> 
> So it looks like ARIN is recycling unused ASNs, prolonging the lifespan of the
> free 16-bit ASN pool.
> Projecting this forward, at current consumption rates it should take
> approximately 32 months for ARIN to use up the 2,048 ASNs issued on 2009-04-21
> by IANA, which puts us somewhere near December 2012.
> 
> ARIN's historical statistics:
> https://www.arin.net/knowledge/statistics/historical.html
> IANA's stats:
> http://www.iana.org/assignments/as-numbers/
> Presentation foils:
> https://www.arin.net/participate/meetings/reports/ARIN_XXIII/ppt/wednesday/rsd
> .ppt
> 
> Cheers,
> Aaron
> 
> 
> On Thu, May 07, 2009 at 01:19:36PM -0700, Scott Leibrand wrote:
>> > I disagree.  We are still waiting to get a release of the code train we
>> > use on the Cisco 7600 platform that supports 32-bit ASNs.  It sounds
>> > like they're finally getting close, but I think a further extension
>> > probably would be helpful.
>> >
>> > We'll have a much better view of what's required by the fall meeting,
>> > when this is up for discussion.  Since that will be our last chance to
>> > change policy before the current 1 Jan 2010 deadline, I definitely think
>> > this needs to be on the agenda.
>> >
>> > -Scott
>> >
>> > Owen DeLong wrote:
>>> > > NIT:  The revised text of 5.1 (or at least specific amendments to it)
>>> > > should be
>>> > > stated as part of the Policy statement. The rationale section is not a
>>> > > binding
>>> > > part of the policy.
>>> > >
>>> > > Substance: This policy simply isn't needed. Current software for most
>>> > > routers supports 32 bit ASNs. There's been ample warning for providers
>>> > > and other organizations to update their management systems, scripts,
>>> > > etc. If they haven't done it by now, they are only going to do it in
>>> > > response
>>> > > to the change actually happening.  Putting it off further does not
>>> really
>>> > > benefit the community.
>>> > >
>>> > > I am opposed to this policy as written.
>>> > >
>>>> > >> ## * ##
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> Policy Proposal Name: Extend 16 bit ASN Assignments
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> Proposal Originator: Marla Azinger
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> Proposal Version: 1
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> Submission Date: 6 May 2009
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> Proposal type: Modify
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> Policy term: Permanent
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> Policy statement: This proposal is to modify section 5.1 in the NRPM
to
>>>> > >> extend the 16-bit ASN assignment timeframe for one more year further
>>>> > >> than the current text. The expiration requiring removal of section 5.1
>>>> > >> is also being removed.
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> Rationale:
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> Currently users of 32-bit ASN?s are encountering technical issues that
>>>> > >> they can?t immediately overcome and therefore require 16-bit ASN?s to
>>>> > >> operate. As a result in the ARIN region to date, 204 of the 216 32-bit
>>>> > >> ASN?s that have been assigned have been returned and exchanged for a
16
>>>> > >> bit ASN. On 1 JAN 2010 ARIN policy declares zero distinction between
>>>> > >> 32-bit and 16-bit ASN?s. This proposal is to change the date on the
>>>> > >> third line of NRPM 5.1 and extend the timeframe for 16 bit ASN?s to be
>>>> > >> assigned. If these changes are made then ARIN RIR ASN policy will read
>>>> > >> clearly and remove any misconceptions of 16-bit cutoff post run out
and
>>>> > >> enable technology to catch up to the ASN bit change. The expiration
date
>>>> > >> that requires removal of section 5.1 after zero distinction occurs is
to
>>>> > >> be removed. Instead section 5.1 will be left in place in the NRPM for
>>>> > >> value added historical purposes.
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> The revision of 5.1 would read as follows:
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> 5.1 16-bit and 32-bit AS Numbers
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> ? Commencing 1 January 2007, ARIN will process applications that
>>>> > >> specifically request 32-bit only AS Numbers and assign such AS numbers
>>>> > >> as requested by the applicant. In the absence of any specific request
>>>> > >> for a 32-bit only AS Number, a 16-bit only AS Number will be assigned.
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> ? Commencing 1 January 2009, ARIN will process applications that
>>>> > >> specifically request 16-bit only AS Numbers and assign such AS Numbers
>>>> > >> as requested by the applicant. In the absence of any specific request
>>>> > >> for a 16-bit only AS Number, a 32-bit only AS Number will be assigned.
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> ? Commencing 1 January 2011, ARIN will cease to make any distinction
>>>> > >> between 16-bit only AS Numbers and 32-bit only AS Numbers, and will
>>>> > >> operate AS number assignments from an undifferentiated 32-bit AS >>>>
Number
>>>> > >> pool.
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> Terminology
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> ? "16-bit only AS Numbers" refers to AS numbers in the range 0 - 65535
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> ? "32-bit only AS Numbers" refers to AS Numbers in the range 65,536 -
>>>> > >> 4,294,967,295
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> ? "32-bit AS Numbers" refers to AS Numbers in the range 0 -
>>>> > >> 4,294,967,295
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> Timetable for implementation: Immediate
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >>
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