[arin-ppml] clarification of Board actions Feb 2 and Mar 18, 2009

Kevin Kargel kkargel at polartel.com
Tue Mar 31 18:58:53 EDT 2009


> -----Original Message-----
> From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net] On
> Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
> Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 5:44 PM
> To: ppml at arin.net
> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] clarification of Board actions Feb 2 and Mar 18,
> 2009
> 
> Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
> 
> >
> > Only if the ARIN staff forget to wear their tinfoil hats.
> >
> > Seriously though, just consider one little thing for a moment,
> > the US banking system.  You know, the same banking system that
> > mugged the US Government late last year for 700 billion dollars.
> >
> > Think of just how much money those bank CEOs have saved with firing
> > tellers and replacing them with online banking access over the
> > Internet.
> >
> > Now, imagine ARIN telling Chase Bank "sorry, you can't setup that
> > new online banking center because we think the world has run out
> > out of IPv4 addresses but we aren't sure because we lost track of
> > a couple million of them" and try to guess how long ARIN would exist
> > as an entity after that.
> >
> > Party's over, folks.  Time to get down and get serious about this
> > or be content allowing it go to the bureaucrats.
> >
> 
> 
> A more plausible scenario (I think) if it comes down to lawsuits is
> people like me and my /22 being reclaimed upon because I'm unable to
> afford more lawyers than Chase or other large orgs that want more space.
> Only after the small orgs are gone and forced back to PA space will it
> become government controlled. Or the big orgs will fight it out until
> the whole thing is tied up in 20 levels of lawsuits.
> 
> Just a theory, but one that small players like myself think about.
> 
> ~Seth

If it gets that ugly there will be a general revolt.  The old timers among
us will remember the ugliness that can happen when turf wars spring up in IP
space.  Things have to happen cooperatively or the whole thing comes
tumbling down.  

This is one of the wonderful things about the way the internet is
architected.  While it is a "cooperative anarchy" the "cooperative" part is
just as important as the "anarchy" part.  It's very vulnerability is one of
the things that keeps people working together.

Anyone who has tried to fend off a DDoS attack without the benefit of a huge
pipe or a VERY cooperative upstream knows what I am talking about.  Throw in
a bunch of IP spoofing and multiple upstreams and it compounds quickly.

Granted there are defenses on modern networks, but they are neither
infallible nor always appropriate.  
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