[arin-ppml] How hard is it to transition to IPv6?
khelms at zcorum.com
Mon Mar 30 11:12:36 EDT 2009
I'll reply directly to avoid further side tracking of the list,
since we continue to talk past each other.
michael.dillon at bt.com wrote:
>> I didn't get to reply to this earlier and only do so now
>> to make sure I am communicating clearly.
> You're not! Communication begins with listening and understanding.
>> but I do feel very
>> strongly that the industry in general ignores the smaller
>> providers and I took your comments as continuing that
>> cavalier approach.
> This is a gross misunderstanding on your part and you still
> don't seem to get it. You have it 180 degrees backwards.
>>> That is an ad hominem attack and is not allowed on the ARIN
>>> policy discussion lists. You should be ashamed of yourself.
>> Err, what? This wasn't an attack of any sort and was much
>> cooler than
>> the initial reply I typed. Perhaps the word negligent
>> doesn't mean the
>> same thing to you as it does to me, but that has an extremely
>> connotation IMO. When you use strong wording you will get a strong
> Making incorrect and innaccurate claims about a company's postion
> is negligent. Just because a person happens to work for company X
> does not mean that a person's comments are the position of
> company X. I sign my name on all my posts to make it clear that
> the message is MY OPINION. Reverse engineering mail headers and
> making incorrect and unwarranted statements on the basis of a
> domain name found there, is negligent to you. It just makes you
> look stupid.
>>> And read my email again, carefully this time. In effect, I told
>>> the customers of all ISPs, not just one ISP, that they SHOULD
>>> complain about their ISP supplier's negligence if that ISP
>>> supplier does not provide satisfactory timelines for IPv6 support.
>> We are, have been, and will continue to do so but again the largest
>> challenges that ISPs face are the pieces that end users directly
>> control. What I was trying to get across, and apparently
>> failing, was
>> that the Google example is not particularly applicable to ISPs,
>> especially small and medium ones.
> Weasely words. It's still not clear to me that you get it.
> I suggested that folks complain to suppliers and you called
> me on the carpet for getting folks to complain to their customers
> which is 180 degrees opposite from what I said.
> And I so have many years of experienc in small business so I
> know the resource constraints people are up against. But I also
> know that small businesses have greater flexibility in changing
> direction and moving quickly to sieze an opportunity. I remember
> when I visited an ISP in a town of 80,000 in the mountains of
> British Columbia and they showed me how they had built their own
> terminal servers on Linux boxes with some 16-port serial cards.
> They have a young college guy there who was hacking the Linux drivers
> to make it do what they needed.
> Moaning won't solve your problems. Tell vendors what you need
> and if they won't give it to you, SWITCH VENDORS or build your
> own. As a small company you have better chances of success by
> switching or building your own. Stop complaining about policies
> and ARIN and the government and big companies because none of
> that helps you to be ready for IPv6.
> If you don't want to manage your company through the IPv6 transition
> then either shut it down or sell it. There is no way to prevent
> that transition from happening in the next couple of years.
> --Michael Dillon
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