[arin-ppml] Draft Policy2009-1: TransferPolicy (UsingtheEmergencyPDP)

Kevin Kargel kkargel at polartel.com
Thu Mar 26 20:31:48 EDT 2009

> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Schnizlein [mailto:schnizlein at isoc.org]
> Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 5:04 PM
> To: Kevin Kargel
> Cc: arin-ppml at arin.net
> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy2009-1: TransferPolicy
> (UsingtheEmergencyPDP)
> Setting aside the distinction between creating a market for IPv4
> addresses, and accommodating the transfers that happen,  it seems that
> a little clarity of who bears what cost, and what the alternative to
> that cost is might be worthwhile.
> Those who have IPv4 addresses when the free pools go empty would bear
> no cost created by a market.  If they convert some subset of their
> hosts from IPv4 to IPv6, they might be able to receive some
> compensation for the effort to release addresses.
> Those who do not have IPv4 when the pools run dry would bear both the
> cost of addresses on the unauthorized market plus the cost of the risk
> that those addresses will be unreachable from parts of the Internet -
> or do without.
> Who is harmed by this market?
> John

We cannot put aside the distinction as you suggest.  Doing so is an attempt
to legitimize a bad idea.  All of this effort to hyperbolize by trying to
create hypothetical situations where a market is not harmful do not fly.  
A poke in the eye with a sharp stick is still harmful, even if you ask "But
hypothetically if you had super healing powers it wouldn't be so bad."

All of the customers of anyone who needs to get IP addresses from the market
will be harmed.  All of the cost will flow downhill until it reaches the end

Participants in an unauthorized market will not be able to artificially
raise their fees if they want to stay competitive with the companies who
obtained IP addresses legitimately.  This will be the limiter on the IP
black market.

Do not forget that there will be legitimate access to IPv6 addresses.  Once
IPv6 content becomes active IPv4 will fall more and more into disuse,
addresses will come available, and ultimately be relegated to the role of
curiosity or collectible.

> On 2009Mar26, at 10:35 AM, Kevin Kargel wrote:
> > I still maintain that creating an IP market will increase the cost of
> > internet to the point that it will be unaffordable by many if not
> > most.  You
> > may be willing to sacrifice that section of society but I am not.

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