[arin-ppml] Draft Policy 2008-7: Identify Invalid WHOIS POC's

David Farmer farmer at umn.edu
Thu Mar 26 11:49:35 EDT 2009

On 26 Mar 2009 Rodgers Moore wrote:

> I'm a newbie here, so I've missed a lot of discussion.  This has
> probably already been covered.
> We have a built in keep alive in the system.  The renewal fee.  Change
> it from annual to quarterly for IPv4.  Or are the new policies to weed
> out stale delegations?

That is exactly the issue, to get at stale delegations, and stale 
POCs are a good first sign of a stale delegation.  A stale POC 
doesn't necessarily directly imply a stale delegation, but 
looking for stale POCs is about the only practical method to 
find stale delegations.  And, the potential side effects of 
updating stale POCs on valid delegations is probablly a good 
side effect anyway.

Currently most Legacy holders don't have an annual renewal 
fee or process, this will change with more adoption of the 
LRSA.  However, in realiaty all of ARIN's renual fees are 
relatively small and may be automatically paid by an 
accountant, who knows nothing about the actuall needs and 
use of IP addresses.  Even $18,000 for a XL allocation isn't 
that much money for an organization that would justify it.

The fact the bill gets paid, may only really mean there is a vaild 
billing contact, and nothing else.  But, if the accountant, gets 
an email, phone call, or letter, asking about other invalid 
contact informaiton, I expect that will usually be shifted off to 
someone who actaully knows something about the IP 

 > Rodgers Moore, CCIE# 8153
> -----Original Message-----
> From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net]
> On Behalf Of Lee Dilkie Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 7:18 AM To: Ted
> Mittelstaedt Cc: 'ARIN PPML' Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy
> 2008-7: Identify Invalid WHOIS POC's
> Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
> > And, once we know the amount of stale assignments in WHOIS, it is
> > then possible to judge the viability of all of the various "IPv4
> reclamation"
> > schemes and see if it's worth spending money on them.
> >
> > Why have ARIN spend a huge amount of time and effort and money
> > trying to reclaim IPv4 if it turns out that after we groom WHOIS
> > that only a small fraction of IPv4 allocations are bogus? 
> > Conversely, if we
> find
> > that, say 50% of assigned IPv4 is abandonded or unverifable, then we
> > know that Ipv4 runout will be many years away.
> >
> >
> > Ted
> >   
> got it. Makes good sense.
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