[arin-ppml] How hard is it to transition to IPv6?

[Scott Helms]

Michael,

    I'll reply directly to avoid further side tracking of the list, 
since we continue to talk past each other.

michael.dillon at bt.com wrote:
>>     I didn't get to reply to this earlier and only do so now 
>> to make sure I am communicating clearly.  
>>     
>
> You're not! Communication begins with listening and understanding.
>
>   
>> but I do feel very 
>> strongly that the industry in general ignores the smaller 
>> providers and I took your comments as continuing that 
>> cavalier approach.
>>     
>
> This is a gross misunderstanding on your part and you still
> don't seem to get it. You have it 180 degrees backwards.
>
>   
>>> That is an ad hominem attack and is not allowed on the ARIN
>>> policy discussion lists. You should be ashamed of yourself.
>>>   
>>>       
>> Err, what?  This wasn't an attack of any sort and was much 
>> cooler than 
>> the initial reply I typed.  Perhaps the word negligent 
>> doesn't mean the 
>> same thing to you as it does to me, but that has an extremely 
>> negative 
>> connotation IMO.  When you use strong wording you will get a strong 
>> response.
>>     
>
> Making incorrect and innaccurate claims about a company's postion
> is negligent. Just because a person happens to work for company X 
> does not mean that a person's comments are the position of 
> company X. I sign my name on all my posts to make it clear that
> the message is MY OPINION. Reverse engineering mail headers and
> making incorrect and unwarranted statements on the basis of a
> domain name found there, is negligent to you. It just makes you
> look stupid.
>
>   
>>> And read my email again, carefully this time. In effect, I told
>>> the customers of all ISPs, not just one ISP, that they SHOULD
>>> complain about their ISP supplier's negligence if that ISP 
>>> supplier does not provide satisfactory timelines for IPv6 support.
>>>       
>
>   
>> We are, have been, and will continue to do so but again the largest 
>> challenges that ISPs face are the pieces that end users directly 
>> control.  What I was trying to get across, and apparently 
>> failing, was 
>> that the Google example is not particularly applicable to ISPs, 
>> especially small and medium ones.
>>     
>
> Weasely words. It's still not clear to me that you get it.
> I suggested that folks complain to suppliers and you called
> me on the carpet for getting folks to complain to their customers
> which is 180 degrees opposite from what I said.
>
> And I so have many years of experienc in small business so I
> know the resource constraints people are up against. But I also
> know that small businesses have greater flexibility in changing
> direction and moving quickly to sieze an opportunity. I remember
> when I visited an ISP in a town of 80,000 in the mountains of
> British Columbia and they showed me how they had built their own
> terminal servers on Linux boxes with some 16-port serial cards.
> They have a young college guy there who was hacking the Linux drivers
> to make it do what they needed.
>
> Moaning won't solve your problems. Tell vendors what you need
> and if they won't give it to you, SWITCH VENDORS or build your
> own. As a small company you have better chances of success by 
> switching or building your own. Stop complaining about policies
> and ARIN and the government and big companies because none of
> that helps you to be ready for IPv6.
>
> If you don't want to manage your company through the IPv6 transition
> then either shut it down or sell it. There is no way to prevent
> that transition from happening in the next couple of years.
>
> --Michael Dillon
>
>
>
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Scott Helms
Vice President of Technology
ISP Alliance, Inc. DBA ZCorum
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