[arin-ppml] Draft Policy 2009-2: Depleted IPv4 reserves

[Matthew Wilder]

Hi Ron,

I will give you the benefit of the doubt here.  In case there was the slightest ambiguity with my comments, I will clarify my statements.

I did not at any point say that TELUS would be unable to transition to IPv6, so hold back your shock for a moment.  I suggested that TELUS might be unable to transition certain services to IPv6 before IPv4 exhaust.  At large organizations, there are too many inter-dependencies to make everything happen at once.  And I doubt there is an organization out there with more than 100 network elements who plans to switch off IPv4 before IPv4 address exhaust.  I hope that doesn't trouble you too much.

Cheers,
Matthew



Ron Cleven wrote:

> I have read over and over and over in this list that IPv6 is "the solution" to all the IPv4 depletion problems.  I have also seen tons of posts that explicitly or implicitly assert that only irresponsible ISP's will not be ready to go with IPv6 by the time IPv4 runs out.  After all, we have all known this day has been coming for the last decade.  Yet, you seem to saying that your large ISP who should be a leader in this movement will be unable to make the transition in time.  I'm shocked!

> Are there any other large ISP's monitoring this list who are the least bit concerned about the transition, or is Telus the only one who can't seem to figure this out?  Perhaps one of the large ISP's who has everything all figured out could share all their technical information to put Telus' mind to rest?

Matthew Wilder wrote:

> Ron wrote:
> 
>>Stephen's comments are spot on.  The large ISP's are the very ones who 
>>have both the resources and clout to make the IPv6 transition happen.
>>If they are unwilling or unable to do so, what does that say about the 
>>viability of ever making that transition?  Mr. Wilder doth protest too 
>>much.
> 
> 
> My explicit role in my organization is to ensure adequate IP Addressing to support service growth and new service introduction.  I believe without a doubt that the only way I will be successful in that mandate is to position IPv6 as the vehicle so that the IP Addresses are there.  
> 
> My organization is taking the steps necessary to get that transition happening, so we are not unwilling.  I can tell you that with certain services, we might well be unable to transition before IPv4 exhaust hits, but my focus is to transition the high growth services.  I want to make sure that the other services which may take longer to transition have the IP Addresses available, as I am sure every other admin POC out there is trying to ensure.
> 
> I don't protest for the sake of demanding unfair privileges on the behalf of large ISPs.  I protest a policy that says everyone can have their needs completely met except for one group, which can't even have a reasonable fraction of their need met.
> 
> Respectfully,
> Matthew Wilder