[arin-ppml] Policy Proposal: Transfer listing service

Ted Mittelstaedt tedm at ipinc.net
Fri Jun 12 14:04:53 EDT 2009

We (my org) oppose this.

I would strongly encourage the proposal author to register the
domain name
"scotts-ipv4-list.org and setup a wiki on it, or maybe beg
craigslist.org for a copy of their software.  If he can get
this online now, and make it free, word-of-mouth should publicize
it and make it the de-facto "free IPv4 block listing service"

I strongly feel that such a free, voluntary, listing service
SHOULD exist for ipv4.  However, the Internet has a long history of
individuals seeing a need then filling a need, and this need
is EXACTLY the kind of thing that can be easily filled by
someone operating a server out of their garage.

As long as there's no erotic section on it, it should
be able to avoid the problems craigslist has run into. ;-)

 From a policy perspective, if ARIN is to get involved in
transfers they need to get fully involved, which means for
starters creating policy that prohibits 3rd party brokers and
speculators, then ARIN needs to setup a mechanism to fill that
role.  However, unless these transfers would be needed for the
good of the entire Internet, ARIN has no business spending
funding of ALL ARIN members, including those proceeding full
speed ahead on IPv6 deployments, to support a small minority
of ISP's who will be satisfied with IPv4 from a transfer market.


Member Services wrote:
> ARIN received the following policy proposal and is posting it to the
> Public Policy Mailing List (PPML) in accordance with Policy Development
> Process.
> This proposal is in the first stage of the Policy Development Process.
> ARIN staff will perform the Clarity and Understanding step. Staff does
> not evaluate the proposal at this time, their goal is to make sure that
> they understand the proposal and believe the community will as well.
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> ## * ##
> 1. Policy Proposal Name: Transfer listing service
> 2. Proposal Originator: Scott Leibrand      
> 3. Proposal Version: 1.0
> 4. Date: 6/11/2009
> 5. Proposal type: new   
> 6. Policy term: permanent
> 7. Policy statement:
> Add new subsection 8.3.1:
>  8.3.1  Listing service
>  ARIN will develop and operate a listing service to provide a
>  Centralized location to post information about IPv4 blocks available from
>  Authorized resource holders and IPv4 blocks needed by potential transfer
>  recipients. Participation in the listing service is voluntary.
> 8. Rationale:
>   The proposal would have ARIN develop and operate a listing service
>   to facilitate transfers and provide an authoritative central source of 
> information
>   on space available and requested for transfer. It would still allow 
> private party
>   transactions, but would encourage both parties to begin working with ARIN
>   in advance, which will cut down on any surprises when they ask ARIN to 
> process
>   the transfer.
>   ARIN staff has indicated that they do not intend to provide a listing 
> service as a part
>   of their implementation of the 2009-1 transfer policy, but could do so 
> if directed by additional policy.
> 9. Timetable for implementation: Immediate (as soon as practical).
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