[arin-ppml] [arin-council] Returning Legacy Space to IANA. Attorney client communcation.

Martin Hannigan martin.hannigan at batelnet.bs
Thu Jun 11 20:27:48 EDT 2009

On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 2:57 AM, Jo Rhett<jrhett at svcolo.com> wrote:
> On Jun 9, 2009, at 5:49 PM, Martin Hannigan wrote:
>> Most large service providers in the region don't believe we're going
>> to get a fair shake in the end. Hopefully, the AC and BoT realize
>> that.
> Martin, I know you are clueful.    So I'm assuming that this response can't
> possibly be what it means on its face.
> Can you name a large service provider in the ARIN region who doesn't have
> miles and miles (on any yardstick of your choice) of extra lenient space
> they are paying nothing for?    That the people who have gotten the most for
> free are afraid that they might lose some of that advantage isn't
> surprising.

You think someone who has and is using a /8 is stressing over the $18K
yearly fee? Cost is probably the least interesting argument.

I can't define excess space because I don't know the specifics as to
why space that someone may have isn't being utilized. Wearing
sunglasses at night blinds you to most everything around you except
the bright lights and here we have what appears to be excess space as
that light.

> That this could be seen as a Bad Thing surprises me.

See 2009-3 thread. There were some fairly interesting fairness
comments that are relevant to the participants in this region.

> And let's be honest, they might at most lose some miniscule amount of their
> advantage.  They certainly won't lose even 1/100th of their advantage, and
> certainly never even come close to a level playing field.  What do they
> really have to lose?   And why do you express this as a bad thing?

It's not about advantage until the allocation policies become slanted
towards percentages of fulfillment. If my competitors can fulfill 100%
of their needs and I can only fill 10%, that's not fair. I don't know
how anyone thinks it could be fair. If I'm being obtuse, I apologize.

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