[arin-ppml] Policy Proposal: Customer Confidentiality

Kevin Kargel kkargel at polartel.com
Tue Jun 9 16:02:24 EDT 2009




> -----Original Message-----
> From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net] On
> Behalf Of Divins, David
> Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 3:00 PM
> To: arin-ppml at arin.net
> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Policy Proposal: Customer Confidentiality
> 
> I do not believe IP addresses are Public Actions. Access need not be
> public.  It can be simply Globally Unique.

The IP addresses themselves are not a public action, but the network traffic
that is related to those IP addresses is.  In my example the IP address is
the door you may enter or exit, you are the traffic.  If you don't want to
be accountable for your traffic then keep it off the public network.

> 
> -dsd
> 
> David Divins
> Principal Engineer
> ServerVault Corp.
> (703) 652-5955
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kevin Kargel [mailto:kkargel at polartel.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 3:49 PM
> To: Divins, David; Kevin Loch; arin-ppml at arin.net
> Subject: RE: [arin-ppml] Policy Proposal: Customer Confidentiality
> 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net]
> On
> > Behalf Of Divins, David
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 2:11 PM
> > To: Kevin Loch; arin-ppml at arin.net
> > Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Policy Proposal: Customer Confidentiality
> >
> > An RWHOIS server is required to be available to ARIN and the Internet.
> > It is against the current policy to ACL the RWHOIS to just ARIN.
> >
> > There are many end customers who do not want out-sourced, hosted,
> > sensitive application pod's information listed as a directory of where
> > to find them.  Not everyone uses public DNS.
> 
> Public actions have public accountability.  If you don't want your
> picture
> taken going in to a strip club then don't go to a strip club.
> 
> You can't demand public access without reachability.
> 
> 
> >
> > -dsd
> >
> > David Divins
> > Principal Engineer
> > ServerVault Corp.
> > (703) 652-5955
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net]
> On
> > Behalf Of Kevin Loch
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 2:48 PM
> > To: arin-ppml at arin.net
> > Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Policy Proposal: Customer Confidentiality
> >
> > Milton L Mueller wrote:
> > > I don't understand how this is a consideration if the ISP continues
> to
> > be
> >  > accurately identified in the whois.
> >
> > Is it required that rwhois servers be accessible to the public or just
> > to ARIN for making/validating reassignments?  If so then that is a
> > way to limit the distribution of confidential customer info to just
> > ARIN staff (which is covered by the RSA) that would not require this
> > policy change.
> >
> > I am hesitant to support a policy that would reduce the quality and
> > depth of reassignment data.  This is especially important as we
> > get closer to IPv4 runout and the temptation to fudge reassignments
> > increases.
> >
> > - Kevin
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