[arin-ppml] Policy Proposal: Open Access To IPv6

[Brian Johnson]

Terry,

Two points on the telephone system comparison.

 - Circuit switched networks are entirely different than packet based
networks when it comes to routing.
 - With the exception of LNP, the telephone numbering scheme is entirely
hierarchical limiting the number of routes needed.

On a side note, I'm sure that nobody wants the Internet to start to
resemble the telephone network. That would be a bad model. (I can hear
the regulators salivating at the idea.) Not that this isn't already
starting to happen (sigh). :-|

- Brian

> -----Original Message-----
> From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net]
On
> Behalf Of Davis, Terry L
> Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 8:12 AM
> To: 'Leo Bicknell'; arin-ppml at arin.net
> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Policy Proposal: Open Access To IPv6
> 
> Leo
> 
> While I support this, I acknowledge that BGP can't support it.  A
> couple thoughts:
> - To your point on not being able to support every residential user
> with a PI, maybe we need to look closer at the phone call routing
> system as they seem to be able to handle it.
> 
> - My home is dual-homed already.
> 
> Take care
> Terry
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net]
> On
> > Behalf Of Leo Bicknell
> > Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 1:15 PM
> > To: arin-ppml at arin.net
> > Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Policy Proposal: Open Access To IPv6
> >
> > In a message written on Fri, May 29, 2009 at 02:58:41PM -0400, Joe
> Provo
> > wrote:
> > > I appreciate the intent, but what's the point of yet another
> > > unenforcable clause?  Enterprises with multiple private BGP
> > > relationships would qualifiy under this and be invisible.
> >
> > ARIN actually has a long history of "enforcing" this, the current
> > IPv4 criteria has a provision for multi-homed networks to get a
> > allocation when single homed networks do not qualify.  I will leave
> > staff to comment on how they enforce the criteria.
> >
> > With IPv6 we will run out of routing slots before we run out of
> > numbers.  Using the sign at the Chinese Buffet as an example:
> >
> >   Take all you want, eat all you take.
> >
> > Like it or not, the network can't take every residential user having
> > their own PI block and routing it.  We don't have routers that can
> > support 500 million routes.  We can make a big mess by handing
> > things out willy nilly, but just like the dark days of the Internet
> > passed the operators will fix it with draconian filtering policies
> > that will do no one any good.  Making a mess the operators have to
> > fix will create no good will, nor internet stability.
> >
> > To that end, I can't support the proposal as written.  As one
> > commenter asked, "what if my kids want an IPv6 network to play with
> > in their garage?"  Well, we should find some way to accomodate that
> > which doesn't require service providers worldwide to spend tens of
> > thousands of dollars upgrading routers to hold the routes.
> >
> > I realize ARIN does not dictate routing behavior.  However, I can
> > tell you how this ends if we get it wrong.  If the table grows too
> > fast operators will make their own decisions about "who is worthy".
> > I suspect those decisions will be made along the lines of who has
> > money to pay to route the prefixes.  If you're worried about your
> > kids getting free IP's to play with the you should really worry
> > about the $1,000 per month per prefix charge that will come to route
> > it to limit table sale.
> >
> > I offer up multi-homing as a bar that keeps the number of routes
> > manageable.  I'm completely open to other proposals.  I think the
200
> > site requirement as it stands now just doesn't work, there are lots
> of
> > large ISP's, who can use a lot of addresses with far fewer than 200
> > sites.  But to simply remove it and leave nothing doesn't do anyone
> any
> > favors in the long term.
> >
> > --
> >        Leo Bicknell - bicknell at ufp.org - CCIE 3440
> >         PGP keys at http://www.ufp.org/~bicknell/
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