[arin-ppml] DTV and IPv6

Tom Vest tvest at pch.net
Fri Jan 30 22:30:44 EST 2009

On Jan 30, 2009, at 7:25 PM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Milton L Mueller [mailto:mueller at syr.edu]
>> Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 12:55 PM
>> To: 'Ted Mittelstaedt'; arin-ppml at arin.net
>> Subject: RE: [arin-ppml] DTV and IPv6
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Ted Mittelstaedt [mailto:tedm at ipinc.net]
>>>> But
>>>> we all appreciate your research into the DTV coupon program.
>>> There are many parallels to this deployment that are very
>> applicable.
>>> I don't understand why your sneering at it. Perhaps because it is
>> I wasn't sneering at it, on the contrary, was quite impressed
>> with the accuracy and detail with which you detailed the
>> coupon program. It just seemed a bit out of place and, as i
>> said, not really adding much to the discussion of ipv6 migration.
> Well, we don't CURRENTLY have a "coupon" analogy with the IPv4->IPv6
> transition - BUT one could argue that the various proposals on
> the list to allow "selling" of IPv4 are suspiciously close to
> this.  The "coupon" program was an attempt to funnel compensation
> to those owning an older TV (since they would have to spend money to
> upgrade it).  The "selling" proposals are similar attempts to
> funnel compensation to those owning obsolete IPv4 blocks. (since
> they will have to spend money to upgrade to IPv6)
> Ted

A coupon is not fungible; it is a classic example of "inside money" --  
can only be used as dictated by the issuer.
An instrument like this may be issued with some confidence that the  
recipients will actually use it as intended, since doing anything else  
is difficult if not impossible.

The analogy would be applicable if surplus IPv4 holders could only be  
compensated for IPv4 transfers with something like "IPv6 renumbering  
service credits."

Of course there won't be any such restrictions; IPv4 transferors will  
be compensated by whatever means that they define, typically in  
"outside money" or something else that permits equal flexibility to  
use however the recipient might like. IPv6 integration is one  
possibility, trivially, but there's no reason to assume that's how all  
(or any) of the proceeds will actually be used.



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