[arin-ppml] Why are ISPs allowed?

Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond ocl at gih.com
Wed Jan 28 19:06:30 EST 2009

"Gene Buckle" <geneb at deltasoft.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 29 Jan 2009, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond wrote:
>> Try running the latest version of Windows on an 80386. (I've tried 
>> and
>> failed)
> I call shennanigans.  Not that it wouldn't work - that's obvious - 
> but
> that you ever tried.  You'd know better before hand.  At least I 
> hope.

I tried Win95. It worked (32-bit O/S so it was ok)
Win 98 (using /mm switch) worked but was very slow - I suspect memory 
was more of an issue than anything else.
Win 98 SE coughed. I don't know why and I gave up after wasting too 
much time.
Win XP was un-installable.

> Windows95 (maybe) or Windows 3.11 (definately) would both work on 
> that
> platform and have a working TCP/IP stack.
>> Try running Mac OSX on a Mac Plus. (I've tried and failed)
> See above.  I don't know what the last release of MacOS was that 
> supported
> the Plus, but it may have TCP/IP support and maybe NSCA Mosaic.  Not 
> sure.

It used to work using Telnet, Gopher, WAIS, etc. I never tried with 
Mosaic but...
many web sites now reject NSCA Mosaic & other early browsers.
Pages just hang - because so much unrecognised information is now 

>> Try surfing the Web on an Apple II. (I've tried and failed)
> See above. Again.  Contiki.
> Here's a link with more information:
> http://www.sics.se/contiki/perspective/browsing-the-web-from-an-apple-ii-with-contiki.html

That's not surfing the Web - it's more painful than using Gopher!
My set-up was:
- Apple IIgs (a souped up Apple II using the 65816 instead of 6502 
- 4Mb add-on memory card (3rd party)
- external 3.5in drive
- external 100mb hard drive (3rd party)
- ProDos 16 (or was it GS-OS, I can't remember)

No ethernet card because this was virtually impossible to get a hold 
of. I hooked up a 56K US Robotics modem and tried running various 
hacks found on the Internet (logging in on a Linux Box to download 
data by FTP & using Kermit to download to the Apple II). I have 
*never* managed to get any kind of browser working correctly - except 
using Linx remotely - but that's cheating!

>> You get the point - migration to IPv6 will make some devices 
>> obsolete.
> You're entirely correct on this point.  However, specious hyperbole
> doesn't make that case.
> Oh, and I've also seen people browse the web on a Commodore 64. 
> Don't
> ever tell a geek something can't be done.  You'll get beat in 
> spades. :)

I can be a geek too. :-)

Apologies to others for the length of the intermission.


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